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Gunman kills 32 at U.S University!!!! (pg. 6)
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| Spin Laden |
"Eugene Beresin, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, said the incidence of many psychiatric disorders, including mood disorders like depression, peaks between the ages of 18 and 22. But he said parents, dorm counsellors and other students don't know enough about mental illness to help. There is no way to predict who will become a killer.
"There is no way to say who is going to let loose and do this." Many students are loners, engage in odd behaviour, were bullied or scapegoated, and have access to guns, but don't kill anyone, he said.
Dr. Bradford said there are often red flags or warning signs, but many don't realize that people who are depressed and suicidal can be violent.
That is in part because psychiatrists and psychologists play down the link between violence and mental illness, because of the stigma already attached to diseases like depression. But treatment can help, he said. "You intervene and treat it, and the risk goes away." |
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| all-nite-freak |
Great quote...and the problem with what was said above combined with the jump to conclusions/irresponsible reporting that is going on I sincerely hope the Exited States of America does not go into panic mode like they do about pretty much everything. You cannot paint every person who suffers from a mental disorder with the same brush. I've already seen interviews where people talk about screening people for this as well as having hotlines to report people who are thought to be at risk. This might be a very bed thing and help to stigmatize and create panic for no reason. Depression is something that someone who has never suffered from (or know someone close to them) cannot really understand, and generally the gullible American public will be very quick to jump on a bandwagon against anything different than what have come to know as the "norm". Hopefully we will see some responsible reporting that helps people understand a bit better...unfortunately responsible reporting is something that is virtually non existent to the sensationalist media that exists. From what I have seen from them so far, is nothing but angles that will make the worlds most paranoid nation that much more paranoid. This would be the best time to help people better understand in order to actually make a difference, but promoting acceptance and most of all educating the public does not generate add revenue. CNN has become such a joke, I am amazed that anyone with an iota of intelligence still takes them seriously. The world will never be a better place if people accept everything they see on television as fact, instead of actually keeping informed and attempt to understand the world around them. If anything they have been part of the problem, because the ill people that commit these crimes know that their actions will be sensationalized. This is really not good for anyone, and if people in America do not start waking up to this I can predict more ignorant lemmings so scared of the society they live in.
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| Spin Laden |
very true.
As for decent journalism, that went out the window with the internet and 24-hour cable news, as now the so-called decent newsmakers have to compete with the rapid-like, around-the-clock news. Reporters are sensationalizing and rushing their stories to be that first one to report it ... so now we see more watered down stuff. I come to tranceaddict.com for all my news :p
Changing topics a bit, when women start to adopt the aggressive nature of some men, that will truly be the beginning of the end. Sure this guy was Korean, the Montreal dude was Indo Canadian and the Columbine kids were white, but the common thread is that they, (and pretty much all mass murderers) are men. That sucks.
And for the record, Spin Laden's a man :p |
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| all-nite-freak |
I am just disgusted as this topic hits close to home for me. I've been watching the coverage and I cannot believe so much ignorance is spewed to the masses. I'll give you a little insight from someone who knows what it was like. I used to ashamed. The fact that my personal problems were made known to strangers on this very board was something that embarassed me very much...but you learn that this is nothing to be embarassed about. So many people are so ashamed that they don't get help and this type of reporting will only make hard decisions harder. I consider myself very blessed to have been given another chance. You don't know what you are doing when living with severe depression. The lines between what is right, wrong can get very blurry at times. You become a slave to a pain that is very hard to describe...and to be able to accept and help yourself becomes so hard.The closest thing i can think of to describe this is a wounded animal. The hole gets deeper and deeper until nothing makes sense. I was out for a few days, and when I came to the only thing i could think about was failing. When I look back I can't believe the damage i was able to my body, a healthy person does not these things. Its like an alcoholic or a drug addict who can't see they have a problem. Sometimes without a nudge, help, tough love they will never come to that point. The moment that started to turn me around was when the doctor introduced me to a mother who had just lost her 13 year old son because of suicide. To see this boys pictures and see how utterly destroyed this woman was cannot be explained. It was at that moment I finally understood how my family must have felt when the doctors told them they didn't know if I would survive or not. That I had been given another shot when there may have been people who had deserved it more. A mother should never be told that her 13 year old son was dead..The pity party was over for me, and we have kept in touch and still talk to this day. Its hard to write this as its personal, but when I see what I do on television it gets me so pissed. People need to speak up about this. People need to know that if they get help it can get better. Its been 4 months and its still a struggle at times, but you learn to understand that you aren't alone with this. I even had a very interesting discussion with a dj you all know in Miami that lived the very same thing. People who suffer from this are just as normal as anyone else...the only thing they need to keep afloat is help. When I see all the bull about illness thats being told to a huge mainstream audience it sickens me. If people start believing it and everyone pays for the acts of one lone person....it just boggles my mind. I would love for the ignorant idiots reporting the way that they are to spend 5 minutes with the mother of the young boy that helped me...Its hard enough to come to terms and accept this as is...making harder will only cause more pain to people who do not deserve or need it. If this shooter has received the proper help, we might not be having this conversation right now. The pattern has already emerged, and this should have been adressed when Columbine happened. The way things are being handled only lead me to believe this isn't the last time this will happen...the worst part being it realy wouldn't take as much as you think to make sure of it. Sorry for the book i just wrote but as I said this hits me closer to home than you can believe. If anyone wants to debate or thinks i'm nuts i'll answer them in advance:
The day you see what this can do to the people and families that are close to victims of depression....the day you know what it feel like to know that you came this close to not existing anymore...you can talk. People need to be encouraged to come forward with this instead of being portrayed as being beyond help. Too many people have lost their lives already that didn't deserve to. If you know someone close to you that yu think is at risk...learn more and accept that they can be helped. Saving a life can be as simple as that. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Spin Laden
very true.
As for decent journalism, that went out the window with the internet and 24-hour cable news, as now the so-called decent newsmakers have to compete with the rapid-like, around-the-clock news. Reporters are sensationalizing and rushing their stories to be that first one to report it ... so now we see more watered down stuff. I come to tranceaddict.com for all my news :p
Changing topics a bit, when women start to adopt the aggressive nature of some men, that will truly be the beginning of the end. Sure this guy was Korean, the Montreal dude was Indo Canadian and the Columbine kids were white, but the common thread is that they, (and pretty much all mass murderers) are men. That sucks.
And for the record, Spin Laden's a man :p |
I think part of the reason its usually men is women get more care and affection from others. Men are raised to fend for themselves and thats starts at birth. On average it takes a parent twice as long to respond to a crying son as to a crying daughter. And all blind studies have shown that when the baby is believed to be crying if its a boy its because he's mad, and if its a girl its cause shes scared.
Point is men get less emotional care from society than women, which is why i think its more common for men to outlash like this than women. |
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| Spin Laden |
| yeah, and our patriarchal (Tag, you probably hate this word..it's soooo university) society reinforces that. The machismo you see in sports, military, frat houses, gangs and stuff epitomizes that at its worse, imo. Apparently, this dude pulled a Spiffy and buzzed his hair, got a military t-shirt and hit the gym. How was Armin? :p |
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| Tag |
| quote: | Originally posted by all-nite-freak
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| Spin Laden |
| ANF, great post and stuff like that (and even Summerwolf's stories) help a lot of ppl.. more that you'd even know.. and even ppl who don't post or register on TA but surf it on occasion. It helps them to realize that they're not alone - a sometimes overused but appropriate cliché here. |
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| all-nite-freak |
A woman is much more likely to blame herself and be ashamed than a man is. From what I have read on this its mostly attributed to the competitive nature with women amongst themselves and the pressures that they sometimes face to be better than the others. They are more likely to not leave a note and kill themselves in a very discreet and non violent way..ie overdose.
As competive as men are its thought to believe that thay view suicide as a final act of defiance to whomever they believe is against them.Firearms,hanging and generally more violent means are thought to be a way telling the world to off.
Similar to the sexual nature of men and women...men are full of bravado, while women usually handle things on the down low a bit more. This is still a preconceived notion that shouldn't be taken as fact, as you have to remember everyone handles situations differently. If you read up on this subject there are so many studies that show things you could not believe...and how they could be shown and avoided. |
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| Spin Laden |
^^^ There's a book called "Seed of the Soul" or something by Gary Zukov, that touches on that. Personally, I agree with ANF that society has to do more to reach out to those in need and I also agree with the post above that, as individuals, we have to realize that every action/choice we make has a consequence, and that we have to live with that. I think I posted about that already in this thread. We are very much the authors of our own happiness, and to some extent, fate.
By the way, Zukov's book is in Oprah's Book Club :p |
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