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BREAKING: A 14 Years Old Student Killed in Toronto School Shooting (pg. 5)
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| mikester69 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
thats not what i said....just not 14 yr old skool shootings, or any skool-related for that matter |
This is the first one in ages. I'm sure there has been at least one in Croatia as well. Are you one of those bitter East Europeans who hate everything about Canada/TO? I know some Croats and Serbs who are like that (sorry dont mean to offend).
As for Jordan, I feel so bad for his family and the whole community as they're constantly being harrassed by reporters and police..
Oh and by the way, I hope people don't associate this with Jane & Finch because first of all it didn't even occur there and I feel that the bad rep that the area gets is unjustified. From my experiences it's just a normal neighbourhood like any other. |
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| devilish_fever |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
I was gonna say something sarcastic like "Oohhh ONE shooting and everyone thinks its a big freakin deal." And do the rolly-eyes face.
But then I remembered how when I was in toronto and loved the sense of safety everywhere. Its unfortunate that something like this is happening there.
Teenage violence is an epidemic. The police need to find the source of the anger, violence, and where the weapon came from. Once teen shoootings begin, its like a snowball, they all feel they need to get guns as protection and use them instead of their fists. Suddenly, everyone is shooting each other on a regular basis and it is hard to control. |
It is a big deal, it was a 14yr old kid that lost his life because ppl are stupid and don't realize that violence is not the answer and they think that shooting someone is a quick way to fix things. We all need to realize that kids have no proper punishment at home anymore because parents are afraid to punish their children because of how the child may react to it. The Media does need to stop making a big deal out of these things but also look at it this way, without the media how do we learn about these issues? We learn about it through them and then we use the media to make ppl aware of the issues and to help solve these issues. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
This is the first one in ages. I'm sure there has been at least one in Croatia as well. |
No dood honestly, never. Why are you so "SURE"?
| quote: | Are you one of those bitter East Europeans who hate everything about Canada/TO? I know some Croats and Serbs who are like that (sorry dont mean to offend).
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No no, DEFINITELY not...i LOVE Canada and always will.
Anyone who knows me knows this:) |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
No dood honestly, never. Why are you so "SURE"?
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Statistically speaking, it had to have happened already. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Toronto shooting incidents on the decline
Despite rash of recent slayings, police say gun-violence numbers are significantly down from last year
TIMOTHY APPLEBY
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
August 1, 2007 at 4:42 AM EDT
Outside the Old City Hall courthouse where he is to testify against several young men charged in the shooting death of teenager Jane Creba on Yonge Street 19 months ago, prosecution witness Richard Steele offered this glimpse of his uncertain future:
"It's a scary thing," he told reporters on Monday. "You don't know who's going to come out these days shooting people."
In the face of a homicide tally that looks to be soaring, plenty of other Torontonians feel the same way. Statistics as of Monday morning list 47 homicides this year, 24 of them gun killings, which does not include a shooting incident that killed a 27-year-old man Monday night. Particularly alarming was the rash of weekend slayings 10 days ago, when three people were killed in less than two hours, including 11-year-old Ephraim Brown.
This, despite a record $785-million police budget that, since the Creba killing, has helped put 450 extra police officers on the street and paid for a highly publicized series of anti-gang sweeps, netting dozens of gunmen and drug dealers.
o why are the gun-crime numbers up?
The surprising answer is that, for the most part, they are not.
If the pattern of homicides so far this year stays on track, there is small doubt the total will surpass that of 2005, dubbed the "year of the gun," when 80 people in the city were killed, 52 of them with firearms. (The record-setting year for homicides was 1991, when 88 people were killed, but fewer of them with guns).
Yet the number of shootings is significantly down, according to police.
As of July 30, the city had recorded 110 shooting incidents this year, involving 132 people being killed or wounded. That compares with 142 incidents and 205 victims in the same seven months last year. In 2005, the totals were higher still - 164 shootings, 230 people shot.
Nor is murder an equal-opportunity business. Toronto's homicide squad estimates that up to two-thirds of the city's killings can loosely be described as gang-related.
As in most big cities, random, stranger-on-stranger killings remain extremely unusual.
"If you look at who the victims of gun violence are, the majority are making choices or are involved in behaviour - they're involved in drugs or they're gang members - that makes them more likely to become victims," Police Chief Bill Blair said.
Toronto's gun violence, in other words, is inextricably linked to the 70-plus street gangs identified by police.
Jamaican-Canadian lawyer Courtney Betty, who is representing the family of slain teen Jordan Manners, points out that much of the city's gun activity flows from public-housing projects, some of whose residents - Malvern, in the city's east end, for instance - are predominantly Caribbean.
Stressing the need for increased and better community policing, Mr. Betty also emphasizes the underlying poverty and social woes that have long troubled low-income communities and can act as a magnet for gang recruitment.
"We've got to look at the preventative measures to somehow get to these young people's minds before they've made that decision to pick up a gun."
Like Chief Blair, he cautions against reading too much in to the latest spasm of shootings, suggesting it may be a statistical blip. Yet Mr. Betty acknowledges a troubling and growing willingness by gun-toting criminals to fight their battles in public.
And when they do, it is often with a new viciousness.
Asked why the year's homicide tally is so prematurely high, even as other gun crimes decline and the quality of emergency medical care improves, Chief Blair offers a disturbing explanation.
"Quite a number of them have been executions," he said.
"Not an angry flash of gunfire where everybody then runs away ... instead, they're actually going up and finishing the guy off."
With a report from Tim Shufelt
Another killer year
Annual Stats for Shootings
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If they can keep the killings to gang members, let them fight it out! |
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| jeeper_095 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
If they can keep the killings to gang members, let them fight it out! |
on their own territory without risking anybody else's lives?
It's hard to believe since most of the shootings happen in broad daylight in public places since the cops are too busy monitoring the joint where the most obvious activities would occur. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by dance2dabeat
b/c he was chasing after other "brotha's" with fireworks....
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That's just ing genius right there. I have a bunch of "brotha's" or "ghetto dudes" (whichever racist term you wanna use) living on my block that do this every time there's fireworks coming up. Like how ing stupid do you have to be? Especially when there's other people around, such as kids, or mothers with babies.
Stupid s. One of these days I'm going to introduce my bat to their faces. |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Poverty does not cause crime, that's been proven quite extensively |
sources? |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
sources? |
lol yes, please. I would love to hear this one. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
sources? |
Crime is prevalent whether there's poverty or not. |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Crime is prevalent whether there's poverty or not. |
Yes, but Diginuts statement seems to suggest that there is no link between crime and poverty, that it is, in effect a myth. While I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, I find I can't without having seen some evidence of the studies to back up the claim. |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
lol yes, please. I would love to hear this one. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
There's no need for the double eyeroll. I'm sure then when Diginut has a chance to read this thread you and I will both get the sources. I'll also add that there have been studies done that suggest there is no link between youth crimes and poverty, and I agree with this. But youth crimes are a small subsection of crime stats in general, and most youth crimes aren't commited out of nessasity.
A kid from an upperclass family could chop dope, steal, beat up someone, but they often don't do this out of need. They do it from some warped sense of being a badass, or because their moral compass is broken. But crime in general, and voilent crimes in particular as I understand usually have a cause rooted in that persons background.
If you're earning 50k a year, there's simply no need to go out and become a crack dealer or a gangbanger or the multitude of other things people do in order to alleviate their living condition.
Still...I await Digi's response. |
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