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When Will Trance Become Mainstream? (pg. 8)
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| slinkyhead |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Never has been mainstream |
you obviously weren't around in the UK in the last 90s/2000 |
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| Cobalt |
I... I don't know what to say to this thread. Are you from 1994?
It's like an amnesiac Marxist asking "when will the communist revolution sweep the world?" |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
I... I don't know what to say to this thread. Are you from 1994?
It's like an amnesiac Marxist asking "when will the communist revolution sweep the world?" |
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Trance will be mainstream in the US when soccer football becomes the most popular sport there. |
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| Cetra³ |
Would trance being mainstream help or improve the music? Or will it make it subside into something generic and make wicked producers complacent with what they're currently doing?
Having said that, if there was a massive mainstream movement of trance then the "underground" would probably be a lot bigger as more people would be exposed to the genre etc... |
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| Mr Moss |
| kidna figured trance was already mainstream since 98-99 but i guess you mean in north America.. in which case i just don't see it being the 'it' genre anytime soon, too much stereotypes about raving |
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| WardC |
I have another note to make (I posted in this thread a few days back):
The rave scene in America was finally starting to blossom circa 1998-2002, and HUGE parties were going off, every weekend, in every big metro area in the US. Although at that time dance music (as we know it here) was not making the radio mainstream yet, the scene was alive, and the underground culture was thriving. Big shows were happening, sometimes with 5,000 to even 20,000 attendees, and these were happening practically every weekend. Government intervention in the US led to crackdowns on promoters and specifically the 'rave' type parties, outdoor massives and such, and everything moved into the clubs, where it is in the USA today. But it's not the same...the scene is definately not the same as it was 6 or 7 years ago.
That was the closest to mainsteam acceptance (of dance music) here in the states I have ever seen. Federal, state, and local agencies were put in charge of eliminating the 'raves' or outdoor massives, and for the most part, they have been successful. We don't see anything (party or event-wise) nearly as massive as what was happening back in 2000-ish, when everything was at its peak. Huge parties were happening in public venues then - I live in Texas - and in that time I saw Paul van Dyk play at Fair Park in 2002 in Dallas to a crowd of over 12,000, Carl Cox headlined an outdoor massive in Austin in 2000 with attendance near 17,000, parties were happening in Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, and Houston at the same time - rave style massives with sometimes over 30 DJs performing. Tickets were on sale at the same places you would buy tickets for mainstream rock concerts - even at grocery stores you could buy tickets to some events.
The music might never have been 'mainstream' - but at that time, the culture was at its peak - parties were happening. When it all went downhill around 2002 in the US, the scene stayed alive in Europe and it still doing very well today with huge massives like Loveparade, Sensation, Mayday, Gatecrasher Summer Festival, Dance Valley, and the huge summer parties in Ibiza. For the United States, there are a few events like Coachella and the parties of Winter Music Conference (Ultra) in Miami that are still happening, but it's only confined to a few cities. Everything for the most part is all in the clubs now, and only in the clubs. If you want to see a certain DJ/producer you will have to wait until he's on tour, visits your city, and go see him in a club. The festival/rave/outdoor massive days are pretty much over in the United States, as I see it. The result of this is less of an avenue for introducing people to the music, new people to the scene. In the past, we would take friends to raves, and the rave scene was the culture. With the death of the rave scene, died the culture, in many aspects. Going clubbing is not like going to a rave or an outdoor festival type event. The community/togetherness is practically lost, as I see it. The free-going nature and spirit of raving is gone, with everything going upscale, 21+, and club-only, 10pm-2am. It's just not the same.
...that's my take in on it -
-Ward |
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| Taranis |
| quote: | Originally posted by WardC
I have another note to make (I posted in this thread a few days back):
The rave scene in America was finally starting to blossom circa 1998-2002, and HUGE parties were going off, every weekend, in every big metro area in the US. Although at that time dance music (as we know it here) was not making the radio mainstream yet, the scene was alive, and the underground culture was thriving. Big shows were happening, sometimes with 5,000 to even 20,000 attendees, and these were happening practically every weekend. Government intervention in the US led to crackdowns on promoters and specifically the 'rave' type parties, outdoor massives and such, and everything moved into the clubs, where it is in the USA today. But it's not the same...the scene is definately not the same as it was 6 or 7 years ago.
That was the closest to mainsteam acceptance (of dance music) here in the states I have ever seen. Federal, state, and local agencies were put in charge of eliminating the 'raves' or outdoor massives, and for the most part, they have been successful. We don't see anything (party or event-wise) nearly as massive as what was happening back in 2000-ish, when everything was at its peak. Huge parties were happening in public venues then - I live in Texas - and in that time I saw Paul van Dyk play at Fair Park in 2002 in Dallas to a crowd of over 12,000, Carl Cox headlined an outdoor massive in Austin in 2000 with attendance near 17,000, parties were happening in Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, and Houston at the same time - rave style massives with sometimes over 30 DJs performing. Tickets were on sale at the same places you would buy tickets for mainstream rock concerts - even at grocery stores you could buy tickets to some events.
The music might never have been 'mainstream' - but at that time, the culture was at its peak - parties were happening. When it all went downhill around 2002 in the US, the scene stayed alive in Europe and it still doing very well today with huge massives like Loveparade, Sensation, Mayday, Gatecrasher Summer Festival, Dance Valley, and the huge summer parties in Ibiza. For the United States, there are a few events like Coachella and the parties of Winter Music Conference (Ultra) in Miami that are still happening, but it's only confined to a few cities. Everything for the most part is all in the clubs now, and only in the clubs. If you want to see a certain DJ/producer you will have to wait until he's on tour, visits your city, and go see him in a club. The festival/rave/outdoor massive days are pretty much over in the United States, as I see it. The result of this is less of an avenue for introducing people to the music, new people to the scene. In the past, we would take friends to raves, and the rave scene was the culture. With the death of the rave scene, died the culture, in many aspects. Going clubbing is not like going to a rave or an outdoor festival type event. The community/togetherness is practically lost, as I see it. The free-going nature and spirit of raving is gone, with everything going upscale, 21+, and club-only, 10pm-2am. It's just not the same.
...that's my take in on it -
-Ward |
That sucks for America :(
Makes me appreciate being in a country where the underground dance scene is still alive, in and outside of clubs. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| any dream of a trance wave sweeping across america and many other modern nations was destroyed by Sexy Techno Boy. |
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| SPAWNmaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Taranis
That sucks for America :(
Makes me appreciate being in a country where the underground dance scene is still alive, in and outside of clubs. |
tell me about it. i had the privelage of growing up all over and saw how most countries outside the US (in north america as well!) have half decent scenes at the least. the US dance scene is complete garbage. the best parties youll find are private small ones where its actually about the music. |
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| Dojomaster26 |
| quote: | Originally posted by WardC
I have another note to make (I posted in this thread a few days back):
The rave scene in America was finally starting to blossom circa 1998-2002, and HUGE parties were going off, every weekend, in every big metro area in the US. Although at that time dance music (as we know it here) was not making the radio mainstream yet, the scene was alive, and the underground culture was thriving. Big shows were happening, sometimes with 5,000 to even 20,000 attendees, and these were happening practically every weekend. Government intervention in the US led to crackdowns on promoters and specifically the 'rave' type parties, outdoor massives and such, and everything moved into the clubs, where it is in the USA today. But it's not the same...the scene is definately not the same as it was 6 or 7 years ago.
That was the closest to mainsteam acceptance (of dance music) here in the states I have ever seen. Federal, state, and local agencies were put in charge of eliminating the 'raves' or outdoor massives, and for the most part, they have been successful. We don't see anything (party or event-wise) nearly as massive as what was happening back in 2000-ish, when everything was at its peak. Huge parties were happening in public venues then - I live in Texas - and in that time I saw Paul van Dyk play at Fair Park in 2002 in Dallas to a crowd of over 12,000, Carl Cox headlined an outdoor massive in Austin in 2000 with attendance near 17,000, parties were happening in Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, and Houston at the same time - rave style massives with sometimes over 30 DJs performing. Tickets were on sale at the same places you would buy tickets for mainstream rock concerts - even at grocery stores you could buy tickets to some events.
The music might never have been 'mainstream' - but at that time, the culture was at its peak - parties were happening. When it all went downhill around 2002 in the US, the scene stayed alive in Europe and it still doing very well today with huge massives like Loveparade, Sensation, Mayday, Gatecrasher Summer Festival, Dance Valley, and the huge summer parties in Ibiza. For the United States, there are a few events like Coachella and the parties of Winter Music Conference (Ultra) in Miami that are still happening, but it's only confined to a few cities. Everything for the most part is all in the clubs now, and only in the clubs. If you want to see a certain DJ/producer you will have to wait until he's on tour, visits your city, and go see him in a club. The festival/rave/outdoor massive days are pretty much over in the United States, as I see it. The result of this is less of an avenue for introducing people to the music, new people to the scene. In the past, we would take friends to raves, and the rave scene was the culture. With the death of the rave scene, died the culture, in many aspects. Going clubbing is not like going to a rave or an outdoor festival type event. The community/togetherness is practically lost, as I see it. The free-going nature and spirit of raving is gone, with everything going upscale, 21+, and club-only, 10pm-2am. It's just not the same.
...that's my take in on it -
-Ward |
AMEN. There's just too much red tape/BS to go through to organize a decent party in the area.
Granted we are trying to hold some private parties soon, but they will be private, so how are we supposed to expose people to this music if they're now willing to hear it in the clubs and they can't show up to the privates? |
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| Dj Dizzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by WardC
I have another note to make (I posted in this thread a few days back):
The rave scene in America was finally starting to blossom circa 1998-2002, and HUGE parties were going off, every weekend, in every big metro area in the US. Although at that time dance music (as we know it here) was not making the radio mainstream yet, the scene was alive, and the underground culture was thriving. Big shows were happening, sometimes with 5,000 to even 20,000 attendees, and these were happening practically every weekend. Government intervention in the US led to crackdowns on promoters and specifically the 'rave' type parties, outdoor massives and such, and everything moved into the clubs, where it is in the USA today. But it's not the same...the scene is definately not the same as it was 6 or 7 years ago.
That was the closest to mainsteam acceptance (of dance music) here in the states I have ever seen. Federal, state, and local agencies were put in charge of eliminating the 'raves' or outdoor massives, and for the most part, they have been successful. We don't see anything (party or event-wise) nearly as massive as what was happening back in 2000-ish, when everything was at its peak. Huge parties were happening in public venues then - I live in Texas - and in that time I saw Paul van Dyk play at Fair Park in 2002 in Dallas to a crowd of over 12,000, Carl Cox headlined an outdoor massive in Austin in 2000 with attendance near 17,000, parties were happening in Dallas, Fort Worth, Austin, and Houston at the same time - rave style massives with sometimes over 30 DJs performing. Tickets were on sale at the same places you would buy tickets for mainstream rock concerts - even at grocery stores you could buy tickets to some events.
The music might never have been 'mainstream' - but at that time, the culture was at its peak - parties were happening. When it all went downhill around 2002 in the US, the scene stayed alive in Europe and it still doing very well today with huge massives like Loveparade, Sensation, Mayday, Gatecrasher Summer Festival, Dance Valley, and the huge summer parties in Ibiza. For the United States, there are a few events like Coachella and the parties of Winter Music Conference (Ultra) in Miami that are still happening, but it's only confined to a few cities. Everything for the most part is all in the clubs now, and only in the clubs. If you want to see a certain DJ/producer you will have to wait until he's on tour, visits your city, and go see him in a club. The festival/rave/outdoor massive days are pretty much over in the United States, as I see it. The result of this is less of an avenue for introducing people to the music, new people to the scene. In the past, we would take friends to raves, and the rave scene was the culture. With the death of the rave scene, died the culture, in many aspects. Going clubbing is not like going to a rave or an outdoor festival type event. The community/togetherness is practically lost, as I see it. The free-going nature and spirit of raving is gone, with everything going upscale, 21+, and club-only, 10pm-2am. It's just not the same.
...that's my take in on it -
-Ward |
wow, very well put. i saw the same thing happen here in atlanta. |
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