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Hugo...doing it again. (pg. 3)
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Nor do I have any real sympathy or love for the US (and the feeling is mutual as I'm not really allowed back there either but I wont go into that) |
what about latino texans?? any props for them?? ;) |
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| Lilith |
I got nothing against US citizens, well not all of them :p
The rest I'm really not going to talk about (ever) concerning myself and the US government! |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
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Don't get me wrong, I've seen those and similar stories in the press myself, but there isn't anything there that's THAT bad is there? A hell of a lot of the things is comparable to things that Britain or America has done (if reported correctly)
EG:
Ruling by decree - the UK has a Parliament act so it can bypass the House of Lords if they vote against the government. The Cabinet also can pursue any action without consulting Parliament (eg. Iraq war)
Appointing your buddies in the Supreme Court - US Presidents do it don't they? And the British government usually nominate Lords who are in their own parties
Dodgy foreign friends - Both the UK and USA prop up some pretty oppressive regimes in the Mid East, and we've all seen the picture of Rumsfeld and Saddam!
Supporting terrorists - who hasn't!?
Accounts of police brutality - happens in every country in the world
You see, I'm just very sceptical when it comes to taking, essentially, the American government's word on a country that it hates because it is left wing. There seems to be some kind of hangover from the Cold War about Socialism. Nationalised industries are not the mark of a dictatorship - only until recently has the UK privatised it's nationalised industries off and everyone is up in arms about it still!
There just seems to be a lot of Americanised spin on stories about Venezuala and when I think about the political/economic right wing beliefs prevailent in America I just find myself taking it with a pinch of salt... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
I don't have a Pol-Science degree |
Well I have two, but it doesn't mean I know anything about Venezuala!!!
:D ;) |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Why do you think that a government should only be able to stand for a limitted amount of terms of office?
And as someone who knows nothing about Venezuala, perhaps you could provide me with some trustworthy source to back up your claims that Venezuala is a dictatorship? Was Chavez not elected by the people? |
"Elected by the people" - that's a very loose translation for; they didn't have any other choice... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
"Elected by the people" - that's a very loose translation for; they didn't have any other choice... |
Is it? I don't know!
That's why I keep asking for sources!
Who told you they didn't have any choice?? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Is it? I don't know!
That's why I keep asking for sources!
Who told you they didn't have any choice?? |
Sorry, that should have read, 'They are not going to have any other choice'.
Amazing how one or two words missing changed that...sorry :sadgreen:
Yes, they did have elections, but Hugo pretty much bought his presidency by bribing the poor with his oil.
Why do Socialists always have to bribe the poor to get anywhere anyways...:conf:
(Like they have any influence on anything that matters). |
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| George Smiley |
When you say "bribe" what do you mean?
I'm getting visions of poltical parties promising people to make their lives better if they vote for them, and then I'm thinking, erm, hold on a sec, isn't that how EVERY ELECTION IN THE WORLD EVER EVER EVER WAS WON but then maybe that's just me? |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
When you say "bribe" what do you mean?
I'm getting visions of poltical parties promising people to make their lives better if they vote for them, and then I'm thinking, erm, hold on a sec, isn't that how EVERY ELECTION IN THE WORLD EVER EVER EVER WAS WON but then maybe that's just me? |
It's one thing to promise, quite another to contrive and then keep yourself in power while you're there.
Hugo's last election came into question as to whether it was legit or not.
I'm not going to post anything on it, just Google it and you'll see tons of hits on that subject. |
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| Omega_M |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Eh... some nobody island country has a different form of government than us.. who cares? |
umm...the US government ? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
It's one thing to promise, quite another to contrive and then keep yourself in power while you're there.
Hugo's last election came into question as to whether it was legit or not.
I'm not going to post anything on it, just Google it and you'll see tons of hits on that subject. |
I found this article from the BBC (a fairly reliable source)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6205128.stm
I don't get any negative "vibes" from it. It also mentions nearly a year ago, almost in passing, that Chavez will seek to change the Constitution to allow him to contest future elections, as if it's no big deal. It also says the election was monitored by 100s of international observers. It doesn't say they mentioned anything bad (altho I'm sure I should be able to find their report somewhere) - also! the opposition conceded defeat, they didn't say it had been rigged! |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
I found this article from the BBC (a fairly reliable source)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6205128.stm
I don't get any negative "vibes" from it. It also mentions nearly a year ago, almost in passing, that Chavez will seek to change the Constitution to allow him to contest future elections, as if it's no big deal. It also says the election was monitored by 100s of international observers. It doesn't say they mentioned anything bad (altho I'm sure I should be able to find their report somewhere) - also! the opposition conceded defeat, they didn't say it had been rigged! |
LOL
Funny thing is, I was reading that same article! :p
This is the part I was referring to:
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The president, who has secured the support of the poor by using oil to fund welfare, told crowds his left-wing "Bolivarian revolution" had triumphed.
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Not that there's anything wrong with doing that mind you, but funding welfare is like....well this quote says it better than I can and it's exactly what Hugo is doing...
"The welfare state is the oldest con game in the world. First you take people's money away quietly, and then you give some of it back to them flamboyantly. – Thomas Sowell"
...and this one...
"Six Miracles of Socialism:
There is no unemployment, but no one works.
No one works, but everyone gets paid.
Everyone gets paid, but there is nothing to buy with the money.
No one can buy anything, but everyone owns everything.
Everyone owns everything, but no one is satisfied.
No one is satisfied, but 99 percent of the people vote for the system. – Anonymous" |
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