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Domestic airfares on upward path (pg. 3)
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| rabbitjoker |
Air travel is a steal in North America. Europe is a totally different story and anybody who compares the two might want to re-think the facts.
I love flying - always have, always will. I've had delays, lost luggage, missed flights - but overall the whole experience something I love: new places, new things to explore, new things to see. Flying is great.
Each airport has it's own likes and dislikes (I usually arrive early and hit the lounge and have a cocktail while waiting). It's nice when you re-vist an airport and see the renos or changes taking place and then re-visit again and enjoy the new amenities. When you think about the engineering and planning that goes into creating an airport it's amazing. Toronto's new airport is amazing. |
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| failsafe |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
you sure like to bend the truth to try to prove a point. i could find archival footage of an air canada crash, and what difference would that make? its not like i'd boycott airfance because of that photo. Same goes with you price comparison earlier.
and if costs are the issue. why can i go much further distances from airports in the states at cheaper prices than shorter distances from within canada? i'm sure the US planes need just as much fuel and have equal costs etc. |
You can find footage as in video feed of an air canada crash? I'd VERY much like to see that. We're talking about air canada main line here, not Jazz or the former air ontario or Air BC. Please fire me the link of the video footage that you could find.
The prices in the states are lower because ATC and Airport surcharges are far lower. You fly out of buffalo for a lower price than toronto because planes pay 1/10 of what they do in toronto to land here.
Loca: You correctly understood that toronto - edmonton is about the same distance as london england - moscow russia. I had used that city pairing for exactly that reason to highlight the distance between the two cities. I'm glad it wasn't lost on you.
The cheapest flight from toronto is $275 one way leaving tomorrow, with about a dozen options below $600. The moscow flights start at $604 and go up from there. So if canada is soooo expensive why is it sooooo much cheaper to fly the same disance here on a route that would see no where near the traffic as london - moscow?
Malek: you're right, it is insane that toronto is so expensive. It puts in the price point of far far larger airports with more terminals and more services. You're buying le chateau for the price of prada with toronto.
RJ: thank god someone gets it. |
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| monishb |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
You can find footage as in video feed of an air canada crash? I'd VERY much like to see that. We're talking about air canada main line here, not Jazz or the former air ontario or Air BC. Please fire me the link of the video footage that you could find.
The prices in the states are lower because ATC and Airport surcharges are far lower. You fly out of buffalo for a lower price than toronto because planes pay 1/10 of what they do in toronto to land here.
Loca: You correctly understood that toronto - edmonton is about the same distance as london england - moscow russia. I had used that city pairing for exactly that reason to highlight the distance between the two cities. I'm glad it wasn't lost on you.
The cheapest flight from toronto is $275 one way leaving tomorrow, with about a dozen options below $600. The moscow flights start at $604 and go up from there. So if canada is soooo expensive why is it sooooo much cheaper to fly the same disance here on a route that would see no where near the traffic as london - moscow?
Malek: you're right, it is insane that toronto is so expensive. It puts in the price point of far far larger airports with more terminals and more services. You're buying le chateau for the price of prada with toronto.
RJ: thank god someone gets it. |
I have to agree with you there are many flights within europe also which are expensive, just because its cheaper to fly to london within the same distance does no justice to the pricing.
Also Failsafe has another valid point, because its cheaper in the states due to the mass population its cheaper to fly. their costs are lower and of course a more convinient way to get around since most peoples schedule doesnt allow them a long week or 2 off to travel by road. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by drgoodvibe
that absolutely blows my mind. How is it that Americans can build infrastructure for mostly Canadian citizens across the border. Wow we're so very behind.. |
hehe like a casino??
| quote: | Originally posted by E2EK1EL
There's nothing in Vancouver worth visiting.
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LOL.. UK Jungle > Vancouver Jungle.. case closed.
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
You can find footage as in video feed of an air canada crash? I'd VERY much like to see that. We're talking about air canada main line here, not Jazz or the former air ontario or Air BC. Please fire me the link of the video footage that you could find.
The prices in the states are lower because ATC and Airport surcharges are far lower. You fly out of buffalo for a lower price than toronto because planes pay 1/10 of what they do in toronto to land here.
Loca: You correctly understood that toronto - edmonton is about the same distance as london england - moscow russia. I had used that city pairing for exactly that reason to highlight the distance between the two cities. I'm glad it wasn't lost on you.
The cheapest flight from toronto is $275 one way leaving tomorrow, with about a dozen options below $600. The moscow flights start at $604 and go up from there. So if canada is soooo expensive why is it sooooo much cheaper to fly the same disance here on a route that would see no where near the traffic as london - moscow?
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Where in God's name are you looking for flights to Moscow may i ask? Because you certainly seem to find the most expensive ones possible.
I just did a search myself (cheapflights.co.uk)
SwissAir:
London -> Moscow (Nov 11 -> 18 [basically offpeak times]): $327.42CAD
On AC:
Toronto -> Edmonton (same dates): $464.64CAD
You really need to stop twising the truth around.
On that note i'm going to stop my discussion with you now because you clearly have no concept of a proper argument, and merely post what you think is correct because apparently you are right and no one else can be wrong. Your methods of rebuttal are questionable at best, and everyone knows arguing with a fool makes one no better. |
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| failsafe |
loca: It was a quick check on expedia for both of the flights. You say that I twist data, but you're clearly posting a very pricey flight to edmonton there. It's not hard to find them for 1/3rd less than that. All this is moot though. You're very quick to point the finger and say that I don't know how to argue, as if there was a set rule book. What is very clear though is the fact that you're way out of your leauge here. Every retort you've had has been based on opinion or your on very limited personal experience.
I said dogs on the plane was horrible for alergy sufferers. You said your dog didn't shed or have dander. Wow that's great, what about everyone elses dog?
I said that dogs can yap for the entire flight annoying far more people than the owner who's made happy. You said you'd never experienced it. Wanna guess who's flown more and would have more experience with this kinda thing? While dogs were allowed in the back they very commonly did yap from the push back all the way until the engines shut down. Just because you were lucky enough not to expereince it doesn't mean it didn't happen often.
You said that canada was a rip off compared to european flying. I posted similar stage length flights displaying cheaper flights in canada. Even if the flights are the same price it only goes to prove that it's no cheaper to fly in europe. The flights to moscow would have lower ATC and landing fees too. So if anything the north american carriers would make less profit for the same ticket price.
You said that Air Canada didn't have seat back TVs. While not all aircraft have been retrofitted, the vast majority do have them now, and as each aircraft goes down for heavy manit. they are refitted with all new interiors. So clearly you aren't current with these changes.
You then went on to post a very general weather synopsis of the conditions when Air France took their A-340 off roading in toronto. What you very clearly don't realize is that they weren't the only people flying then. Toronto was landing on 2 or potentailly 3 other run ways at the exact same time that fligt came in. The weather was by far safe enough to land in, as evidenced by all the other traffic landing at the same time. The air france guys landed long on a runway that's more than long enough to depart a A-340 at gross weight, let alone land one after having burnt fuel flying across the Atlatic. Since I imagine you won't realize this, it takes more distance to get a heavy one airborne than to land a light one. The fact that you posted the weather as some form of bizzaro justification just solidifies that you're talking way out of your leauge.
Why you continue to argue with someone who does this for a living baffles me.
So run along now, take your ball and go home
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| Misanthrope |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
Air Transat and Zoom Airlines fly Toronto to London direct for under $500 during certain times of the year (usually off peak). I've found flights leaving as late as June once for about $435 (booked around April).
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holy - where are you finding these deals?
I'm on zoom airlines right now!
this was the best I could find.
Dep
Date Dep
Day Dep
Time Flight
# Airline From VIA To Arr
Day Arr
Time
1 11 Dec 07 Tue 20:10 210 Zoom Airlines Inc Toronto
T3 Montreal Trudeau
Main London Gatwick
South Wed 10:00
2 03 Feb 08 Sun 11:40 711 Zoom Airlines Inc London Gatwick
South Belfast
Intl Toronto
T3 Sun 16:25
. Passenger
1 $99.00 $117.20 $216.20
2 $99.00 $203.00 $302.00
$198.00 $320.20 $518.20
Amount Paid to Date $0.00
Final Amount $518.20
All Prices shown above are in Canadian Dollars $
As you can see, i'm not really fussy about dates - as long as I am in germany 3rd jan.
i'm trying airtransat right now, but i guess i don't know how to use the search engine. |
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| Misanthrope |
| quote: | Originally posted by failsafe
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By any chance, did that post take you half an hour to type?
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Misanthrope
holy - where are you finding these deals?
I'm on zoom airlines right now!
this was the best I could find.
Dep
Date Dep
Day Dep
Time Flight
# Airline From VIA To Arr
Day Arr
Time
1 11 Dec 07 Tue 20:10 210 Zoom Airlines Inc Toronto
T3 Montreal Trudeau
Main London Gatwick
South Wed 10:00
2 03 Feb 08 Sun 11:40 711 Zoom Airlines Inc London Gatwick
South Belfast
Intl Toronto
T3 Sun 16:25
. Passenger
1 $99.00 $117.20 $216.20
2 $99.00 $203.00 $302.00
$198.00 $320.20 $518.20
Amount Paid to Date $0.00
Final Amount $518.20
All Prices shown above are in Canadian Dollars $
As you can see, i'm not really fussy about dates - as long as I am in germany 3rd jan.
i'm trying airtransat right now, but i guess i don't know how to use the search engine. |
well again these were flights i searched back in April that were leaving in June.. i'm sure the prices will fluctuate throughout the year. I don't think $518 is too bad considering the time of year you're looking at going.
hey it might even be cheaper than a flight to ... Vancouver :toothless
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| Misanthrope |
| you think so? I'm really not sure. I think i might go for it. You were damnnnn lucky to score such an awesome deal. hehehe. this is during winter! like wtf. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Misanthrope
you think so? I'm really not sure. I think i might go for it. You were damnnnn lucky to score such an awesome deal. hehehe. this is during winter! like wtf. |
lol yah .. that's why i've decided to fly south this winter. leave the east for the summer! :thepirate
ps. if u absolutely have to go, i'd book it for that price.
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| Misanthrope |
thanks
mmm a warm place will be so nice. |
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