Hey Mr.J know any good dark classical pieces/composers like the beginning of that Gorecki symphony?
MrJiveBoJingles
The form of the piece linked above is a canon, which is a basic theme repeated at different pitches and played on top of itself with different instruments. The theme is twenty-four bars long, so a new "section" of the canon comes in after twenty-four bars of the old one have gone by, leading to a neat "overlapping" effect. It may seem kind of dull at first, but it really builds up if you wait.
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MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by jupiterone
Hey Mr.J know any good dark classical pieces/composers like the beginning of that Gorecki symphony?
For symphonies, Beethoven is my favorite. Mahler is good as well. Some of Michael Nyman's film music actually comes close to capturing that same mood, I think.
I don't know of any other symphonies that use a canon like that, though. Gorecki's is a pretty unique piece.
Lira
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Any thoughts on why this is?
The philosopher Robert Solomon once mentioned that music is a social activity. Even if we don't gather in order to listen to music as often as our ancestors did before the advent of the gramophone, there's some truth to it. We often link music to a certain group of listeners.
That explains why I'm not that much into classical music. It doesn't reflect the world of my urban and industrialised self, reason why I prefer Concord Dawn over Beethoven (even though I do know how to play quite a few songs on the piano, it's a fun activity). There's no reason why I should prefer classical music, given this context.
Maybe I'm an extremist, but I don't think highly of classical music either. As Pierre Bourdieu argued in his book Distinction: A Social Critique of the Judgement of Taste, social class tends to determine a person's likes and interests. So, once you understand the rationale behind it, it's easier to break free and claim that, in my case, I prefer High Contrast over Tom Jobim or Mozart.
Krypton
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
But the big difference between the two is the "singer-songwriter" model: pop has got it and classical hasn't. When you compose a classical work, it becomes "common property" in a way that pop music doesn't. A pop song becomes attached to a particular person, the composer-performer, and all the celebrity gaga and mystique follows from that. Classical doesn't have that aspect to it. However gifted he was, Pavarotti didn't write the things he performed, and neither did most of the talented instrumentalists who play the classical repertoire in orchestras around the world.
I think that may be one of the keys.
Well, nowadays the singer is just a singer. The songwriter writes the song, the producers makes the music, the marketers make the image, and BOOM, out comes the shining new product. If you sing opera at sold out concerts, it's not because you have an entire crew that made you up, its because you can damn sing. Espcially when the music is not in the "recording studio" but in a 2-3 hour long play/concert. You gotta be good for that! And make people cry!
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by Lira
social class tends to determine a person's likes and interests.
Yeah yeah. "Classical music reflects the tastes of the upper class and these days people have stopped trying to emulate the upper class as much, thus the reason they no longer pretend to like the classical music they never actually liked in the first place."
I'm not sure I buy this stuff. I went most of my life without knowing anything about classical music, liking none of it, until I actually listened to some of it in college, and now I love it.
Granted, Marxist theories of taste may apply to some people who feel socially obligated to simulate a taste for "high culture," but I really don't think I'm one of those. Nobody pressed the stuff on me and I won't be looked down on by any of my friends or relatives for not liking it, so I generally think unfalsifiable theories like this, if they pretend to universality, ought to go in the crapper. If they're just suggesting one reason a person might possibly pretend to like classical, then that's fine I guess, but they're less interesting that way, even if more plausible.
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by Krypton
Well, nowadays the singer is just a singer. The songwriter writes the song, the producers makes the music, the marketers make the image, and BOOM, out comes the shining new product.
Nonononono. That's not "nowadays." That is just pop normalcy. Once swing turned into pop, that's how everybody rolled. The '60s thing of singer-songwriter lonely-tortured-artist (the aftermath of which we're still experiencing) was an anomaly.
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If you sing opera at sold out concerts, it's not because you have an entire crew that made you up, its because you can damn sing. Espcially when the music is not in the "recording studio" but in a 2-3 hour long play/concert. You gotta be good for that! And make people cry!
That's mostly true. Although there have been exceptions:
It's not necessarily "singer-songwriter" in pop, mind you. It's just that in some sense the singer is the song. Those songs might not be written by Britney Spears, but they still "belong" to her in the minds of her fans. They're her songs.
In classical music the songs don't typically "belong" to the conductor or the violinists or the French horn player or anybody else on that stage. The performers are just kind of the "conduit" for the music.
Danny Ocean
i like classical music, mostly because my father listens to it and he passed it on to me.
Mozart's requiem is my favorite.
eRRaTiK
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This makes me think of something else that came to the fore in the pop industry: the centering of the music around the performer. In classical music, the performer is for the most part just the "vehicle" by which the music is conveyed.
I've heard some performers speak of themselves, or their voices, as instruments for channeling creativity/music.
The modern focus on the artist is the result of those who stand to make a buck out of the talent and ability of the performer.
echosystm
It's because classical music doesn't entail a "cool" lifestyle that people can conform to, to replace their own lack of character and personality.
people like to give themselves a genre, because they are weak minded little bitches that have nothing going for themselves.
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ps. moonlight sonata ftw.
saluyamo
I wonder out of how many like william orbit - adagio for strings ( ferry corsten mix ) , like the original (no not william orbits, Samuel Barbers).
I think the main reason why its rare is because teenagers relate classical as something that old people listen too, and since Video hits and pop culture is only telling them about the top 40, classical is shadowed even more.
The first time I heard anything somewhat was the 9th and J.S Bach - air on evangelion.
