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Why is classical music a rare taste? (pg. 6)
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| Gauss |
I guess I simply don't find it amusing. Also, it lacks beats, very important aspect of music I listen to. :p
After listening to drum'n'bass and nu skool breaks, classical music can be hardly interesting. :D
However, I do like these:
Clint Mansell - Summer Overture
The Sabres Of Paradise - Haunted Dancehall (Performed by In The Nursery)
And most of Hybrid's tracks with modern classical elements. :gsmile: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
But, as it happens to you, you're now in a more intellectual circle (i.e. uni), and you're being exposed to many different ideas. I don't know whether you were exposed to the music or decided to go for it yourself, but regardless of how it happened, you were open to this "new" music. |
The class I took on it wasn't a requirement. And being in a "more intellectual circle" hasn't had any effect on the prevailing musical tastes, as far as I can see. Smart / educated people generally listen to the same mix of music as everybody else does (there tends to be more of a taste for semi-obscure music, but the basic pop-rock-rap domination is still intact), as far as I can tell, because classical music isn't really considered essential for "culture" anymore. But that's a good thing, actually, since you won't have as many people pretending to like it for the sake of impressing others. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by dslim04
MrJiveBoJingles, If you have any suggestions of some good composer similar to tht kind of sound I would really appreciate it. PMed to me, Thanks. |
I thought that Gorecki excerpt might draw a lot of interest. In his later career Gorecki was associated by critics with a movement called "minimalism," and holy minimalism in particular, so you might want to check out those composers. Some of the music performed by Kronos Quartet also tends to have that brooding kind of feel, although of course they are a quartet, not a symphony.
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
and if you talk about music you don't like, you can easily see that most people will tell you they dislike the music of highly stigmatised groups (i.e. hip hop, country and so on). |
LOL, I don't like those kinds of music, but I kind of doubt it has anything to do with the people who make it being highly stigmatized. It's because I find the music annoying. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
If anything, it's probably trendier now in intellectual circles to have a taste for the music of oppressed or marginalized groups and a disdain for anything written by dead white males on commission to kings and nobles.
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| DJLafleur |
| i used to love classical music. I also think Trance and Classical music both share things in common |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJLafleur
i used to love classical music. |
Why did you stop? :p
| quote: | | I also think Trance and Classical music both share things in common |
I don't know, I like them both, but I actually think trance and most classical are opposites in many ways. Like I said earlier, classical has a lot of "elasticity" of melody, harmony, tempo, and volume, whereas in trance all of those things basically stay the same throughout a song (even more so than in pop, since trance doesn't usually have "verse / chorus" structure). The main thing that trance and pre-1960s classical music have in common is that the compositions are too long for many attention spans.
;)
Trance definitely has a lot in common with minimal classical, though, with the gradual building and phasing in and out of short, repetitive melodic elements. |
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| Lira |
Anyway, I decided to take a look and check whether classical music was indeed such a rare taste. My methodology is, I believe, a bit flawed, but it's the best thing I could do right now: Is Classical Music less popular than Trance in sites such as Last.FM? I picked the most tagged artists of each genre and compared the amount of total listeners. The difference didn't seem to be expressive: Tiësto is just a bit less popular than Bach.
Trance isn't exactly the world's most popular genre (The Prodigy alone has got more listeners than Tiësto and Van Buuren together), but it's not really rare, is it?
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The class I took on it wasn't a requirement. And being in a "more intellectual circle" hasn't had any effect on the prevailing musical tastes, as far as I can see. Smart / educated people generally listen to the same mix of music as everybody else does (there tends to be more of a taste for semi-obscure music, but the basic pop-rock-rap domination is still intact), as far as I can tell, because classical music isn't really considered essential for "culture" anymore. But that's a good thing, actually, since you won't have as many people pretending to like it for the sake of impressing others. |
hmm... I guess I'm having some trouble getting my message across. Here, let me begin with the basis of what I'm saying:
"Think of music as a product: the more exposure and good reviews a product has, the more people will know it. If the product is considered good by the consumers too, it soon becomes popular."
Do you agree with this bit?
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
If anything, it's probably trendier now in intellectual circles to have a taste for the music of oppressed or marginalized groups and a disdain for anything written by dead white males on commission to kings and nobles.
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That's a necessary step, I guess, towards a broader perspective....
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
LOL, I don't like those kinds of music, but I kind of doubt it has anything to do with the people who make it being highly stigmatized. It's because I find the music annoying. |
Why? |
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| Omega_M |
| why don't you guys seem to consider the fact that the younger generation's musical tastes have changed radically. People are increasingly being exposed to synthetic music. Electronic instruments and editing softwares have completely changed the way music sounds. People are bound to lose taste in classical music because it does not appeal to their sense of enjoyment any more. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Anyway, I decided to take a look and check whether classical music was indeed such a rare taste. My methodology is, I believe, a bit flawed, but it's the best thing I could do right now: Is Classical Music less popular than Trance in sites such as Last.FM? I picked the most tagged artists of each genre and compared the amount of total listeners. The difference didn't seem to be expressive: Tiësto is just a bit less popular than Bach. |
Trance is certainly a niche taste as well; I could have just as easily asked the question about trance (but then the topic would go in MD, not here). "Rare taste" is a relative term. Put the classical composers up against, say, Kanye West or one of the big rock groups like Nickleback, and see what you find.
:p
| quote: | hmm... I guess I'm having some trouble getting my message across. Here, let me begin with the basis of what I'm saying:
"Think of music as a product: the more exposure and good reviews a product has, the more people will know it. If the product is considered good by the consumers too, it soon becomes popular."
Do you agree with this bit? |
Yes. I don't see what's non-obvious about any of that.
| quote: | | Why [do you find country and rap annoying]? |
Country: something about the timbres typically used (I'm talking about the more popular stuff with the twangy guitars and voices; I can stand some of the softer, more "folkish" kind of country). Also, I hate harmonicas (again, the timbre).
Rap: mostly uninteresting production and god-awful lyrics that are often obnoxiously self-aggrandizing. I don't want to know about your cars, how many women you ed, your rapping skills, your guns, your money, your gang connections, or your machismo. There are plenty of non-stupid rap songs, of course, but the dumb stuff is what gets all the exposure these days.
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| Platipus |
I listen to classical quite regularly. especially at work when i'm stressed out.
some of my favorites are:
Dvorak
Handel
Bach
Vivaldi
Tchaikovsky
Stravinsky
Orff
Brahms
Hummel
and pretty much any cello concerto played by yoyo ma. That man can bring out so many emotions from a piece of work.
oh and EDM is A digital Symphony. :) |
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| ikhouvanu |
| I like classical even though I don't listen to it that often. People tend to not like it because they can't relate and/or appreciate it. They just think of it as boring music from forever ago. |
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