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Saudi gang-rape victim is jailedt (pg. 13)
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Not completely, no. May you drive as fast as you want, take what you haven't paid for, or shoot whoever you don't agree with?
Social contracts by definition infringe upon freedom. But don't get me wrong, they are necessary. The freedom of a governance system is a matter of degree, not a black-or-white all-or-nothing kind of deal. |
In an anarchist world, Natural Law might be the law of the land. But in a land where a government claims sovereignty and authority over the land and the people, historically, citizens have had to fight for liberal governmental powers. Is that better? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! |
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| camsr |
| muslims actually have a good idea restraining their sexuality. they work harder and don't run around all day chasing . |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| Yes, yes, Christianity teaches abstinence and love of God over lust as well. That's why there's just so darn few Christians. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Yes, yes, Christianity teaches abstinence and love of God over lust as well. That's why there's just so darn few Christians. |
Whaa? There's church EVERYWHERE. Christianity is definately alive and well, at least in the US. Think about the voters groups who got Bush in office? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| You basically put much of the course of this thread into a nutshell right there. |
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| camsr |
lol if you think christian girls aren't sluts... damn bro.
they rationalize it by trying to teach you about god at the same time! |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by plaxx
the religion of peace strikes again. |
lol :haha:
wait, that hurt my sensibilities :( :p
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
the women in saudi have a court that punishes them for being raped. |
Wrong. The punishment was not for being raped, it was for being in a car with an unrelated man, as per the BBC article. If you read the article, the punishment went from 90 lashes, for violating the segregation laws, to 200 after her appeal was rejected because the judges felt she was using media to manipulate the law, as she caused a firestorm that undermined the laws and religion and the court wanted to set an example that people must face the punishment for wrong doing and no amount of weaseling out of it will help, rape or no rape. That might have been a bit harsh, but if the woman looked like the one posted above, maybe she'd appreciate the extra 110 lashes? :p
In all seriousness, though, it's obvious to anyone in the world, including the most extreme and backward Muslims that gang rape is a terrible thing, however it does not save you from punishment you deserve. It's certainly not the same degree, but an extreme example to demonstrate this point would be for someone to commit a murder, then get gang raped, but continue to carry out the punishment for the murder, no matter what suffering the murderer faced from the gang rape. In this case, she violated the segregation laws so she was still scheduled to receive her 90 lashes (increased to 200 not because of being raped, but for the media frenzy she caused).
I tried finding the original article from the Arab News, Saudi Arabia's largest English-language daily newspaper (the one I used to read everyday when I was living there) but the damn site takes too long too load: arabnews.com. If you check out the main site page, you'll see several articles showing how women's rights are being expanded daily: "more space for women in the country's second-holiest (the Prophet's) mosque in Madinah" (normally women are not encouraged to pray in mosques to leave more space for men but the tide is changing to allow women who want to worship just as much as men do in mosques, and make more space for them. Seems ridiculous, but 1400 years of rituals and tradition takes time to turn around. For Christians it took over 1920 years. ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Wage guerilla warfare against one of the most powerful oil giants in the world? Wage a private revolution against one of the United States' largest oil suppliers?...in the end, they would surely defeat the IDEA of Islamic Law in a society that is inherently religious. |
You're mixing issues here (more on that in a bit). Also, you don't know who the real authority is in that country. It's not the religion, it's the royal family. And that is completely changing because of the people movement. All the acts of internal terrorism (including a bomb attack on the compound I used to live in, a few years ago) are directed at the US to leave the country and for the royal family to dismantle the monarchy. That is still a long time away, but there are trends of change.
I think you're mixing issues because on one hand you're talking about oil and "US supplier" which implies that the power is in the hands of whoever controls the oil/economy, but on the other hand your talking about defeating Islamic law. To defeat the law, you have to defeat the existing power, which is the oil/royal family (who owns the oil)/US, which isn't going to happen. I don't think I'm being clear here, but it's 2 am so maybe I'll digest this a bit more and organize my thoughts a little more clearly tomorrow. :conf: |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
Saudi law is NOT Islamic law. |
Truth. I will explain this to you later, Halcyon. |
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| Dervish |
| I wonder what the man got for being with a women he didn't know? A pat on the back for giving this heathen women a lift keeping her from the streets where she would no doubt prostitute her aids infected unrelated man talking to body? |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
I wonder what the man got for being with a women he didn't know? A pat on the back for giving this heathen women a lift keeping her from the streets where she would no doubt prostitute her aids infected unrelated man talking to body? |
Bang on! :gsmile:
:rolleyes: |
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| Dervish |
| Was kinda jokey in the way I said it but seriously do you know what happened to the man? |
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