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Trance now vs. Trance then (pre 1995)
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| Minhaj |
this has been in my mind for a while now.
We listen to stuff like Humate's Love Stimulation or Secret Knowledge's Sugar Daddy and consider them as classic tunes. Both these tracks were released around 1993 and they were played heavily by djs like Paul van Dyk, Dr Motte, Cosmic Baby etc...
What if these tracks were played today in clubs, how would people feel? How would you feel? What if you paid to go see Paul van Dyk tonight and his set looked like this:
01. Alien Nation - Intro
02. Gemini 6 - Skysoaring
03. True Love - Breath Of Stars
04. Effective Force - Diamond Bullet
05. Cosmic Baby - Cosmikk Trigger I
06. Cosmic Baby - Oh Supergirl
07. Microglobe - High On Hope
08. Voov - Strobe Light
09. Futurhythm - Transmanic
10. Cosmic Baby - The Space Track
11. Humate - Love Stimulation
12. Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears
13. Visions Of Shiva, The - How Much Can You Take?
14. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa
15. Loopzone - Natural High
16. Visions Of Shiva, The - Perfect Night
What if Cosmic Baby released a new album that sounded exactly like Stellar Supreme. What if In Between sounded like 45 RPM? |
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| nefardec |
it's a tricky thing
ideally you would see a transformation of the crowds and the clubs themselves.
there's a completely different cultural attitude now, and it's not really relevant.
i seem to talk about this a lot, but there was a futuristic ideal embedded in this music that wouldn't be as strong now that we have been desensitized through inundation of trance and dance music. The novelty of the music was probably what made it the best. even though I haven't heard a lot of these tracks in a club, the fact that I have heard so many things since they were created by people who HAD heard these tracks means that I am now biased as a listener and somehow vicariously jaded - basically it would just come across as a sort of themed oldies night
since you are sort of fetishizing something that is already indirectly part of the collective consciousness of dance music, that is, some part of these tracks has affected everything else that's occurred since then, and those have in turn affected other things, etc, and the fact that it has also directly been experienced by several people, it would not have the same effect.
it would be like when i went to see jeff mills at tresor and everyone treated it like a concert performance. i doubt it was like that at the original tresor.
since I was not part of that generation, it would be wonderful to hear in a club, but it wouldn't be the same in any way, since the context is completely different.
in short, i think we need to respec the past for what it was, and move on and live in our own time with our minds towards the future. |
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| Spirit5 |
All of this is fine and dandy and this idea is good (that the attitude in the scene has changed, the music is more pop) but really...and I say it routinely..is this the type of sound that MOST people on here or others who got into trance..were into? I mean what's the average age of people on here? I was 10 years old in 1995, and 8 years old in 1993. I didn't grow up a "tranceaddict" or a "clubber" or "raver" whatever, 8 year olds don't belong at raves and certaintly can't get into clubs. So
I assume that the average age of people on here is 20 - 25, so I doubt that most even know what they are talking about if they didn't actually experience it back then, other than read about it, watch videos, listen to the music etc. So it's a little silly to be focusing on how much better this music was back then when I am sure most people were into it around the late 90s and early 00s, when it became more well known, popular....esp in places like the US and Canada where even now...it's not a very accepted or well-known genre (but probably more than it was in 1993).
And to answer your question, most likely no. The reason? Technology..it's changed a lot since back then. You didn't have 2 Ghz processors back then...most computers were like 50 - 100 mhz and sound processing wasn't the same...digital prodution wasn't as common as analog. Things need to progress, and so does music (and the techniques to make it). Vinyl is being replaced by CDs, CDs are slowly being replaced by DVDs, MP3s etc. New technology doesn't mean better production, but you can't expect things to always stay the same. Most rock is much different than it was in the 1950s when it began, so is trance. |
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| ToxicGreenWaste |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
I assume that the average age of people on here is 20 - 25, so I doubt that most even know what they are talking about if they didn't actually experience it back then, other than read about it, watch videos, listen to the music etc.
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Yeah and nobody ever learned anything by reading and watching things, and talking to people who were there...rouffle. |
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| the_gamemaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Minhaj
How would you feel? What if you paid to go see Paul van Dyk tonight and his set looked like this:
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I'd probably slap him and tell him to quit living in the past. |
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| sljiva |
| quote: | Originally posted by Minhaj
What if you paid to go see Paul van Dyk tonight and his set looked like this:
01. Alien Nation - Intro
02. Gemini 6 - Skysoaring
03. True Love - Breath Of Stars
04. Effective Force - Diamond Bullet
05. Cosmic Baby - Cosmikk Trigger I
06. Cosmic Baby - Oh Supergirl
07. Microglobe - High On Hope
08. Voov - Strobe Light
09. Futurhythm - Transmanic
10. Cosmic Baby - The Space Track
11. Humate - Love Stimulation
12. Cosmic Baby - Heaven's Tears
13. Visions Of Shiva, The - How Much Can You Take?
14. Cosmic Baby - Sweet Dreams For Kaa
15. Loopzone - Natural High
16. Visions Of Shiva, The - Perfect Night
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I'd probably say "stop whoring your X-Mix-1 - The MFS-Trip compilation" to him |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
All of this is fine and dandy and this idea is good (that the attitude in the scene has changed, the music is more pop) but really...and I say it routinely..is this the type of sound that MOST people on here or others who got into trance..were into? I mean what's the average age of people on here? I was 10 years old in 1995, and 8 years old in 1993. I didn't grow up a "tranceaddict" or a "clubber" or "raver" whatever, 8 year olds don't belong at raves and certaintly can't get into clubs. So
I assume that the average age of people on here is 20 - 25, so I doubt that most even know what they are talking about if they didn't actually experience it back then, other than read about it, watch videos, listen to the music etc. So it's a little silly to be focusing on how much better this music was back then when I am sure most people were into it around the late 90s and early 00s, when it became more well known, popular....esp in places like the US and Canada where even now...it's not a very accepted or well-known genre (but probably more than it was in 1993).
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Why do you always say this, what exactly is the point you're trying to make? |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
All of this is fine and dandy and this idea is good (that the attitude in the scene has changed, the music is more pop) but really...and I say it routinely..is this the type of sound that MOST people on here or others who got into trance..were into? I mean what's the average age of people on here? I was 10 years old in 1995, and 8 years old in 1993. I didn't grow up a "tranceaddict" or a "clubber" or "raver" whatever, 8 year olds don't belong at raves and certaintly can't get into clubs. So
I assume that the average age of people on here is 20 - 25, so I doubt that most even know what they are talking about if they didn't actually experience it back then, other than read about it, watch videos, listen to the music etc. So it's a little silly to be focusing on how much better this music was back then when I am sure most people were into it around the late 90s and early 00s, when it became more well known, popular....esp in places like the US and Canada where even now...it's not a very accepted or well-known genre (but probably more than it was in 1993).
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So you have to have been there in the early 90s in the clubs to enjoy this type of music? Bull. Lots of people love this type of stuff even though they never experienced it back in the early 90s.
Age got nothing to do with this. If your type of logic were used for other types of music that would mean that you can't enjoy Beatles just because you weren't born when they where around. |
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| netroM |
| quote: | Originally posted by sljiva
I'd probably say "stop whoring your X-Mix-1 - The MFS-Trip compilation" to him |
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| Gauss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
All of this is fine and dandy and this idea is good (that the attitude in the scene has changed, the music is more pop) but really...and I say it routinely..is this the type of sound that MOST people on here or others who got into trance..were into? I mean what's the average age of people on here? I was 10 years old in 1995, and 8 years old in 1993. I didn't grow up a "tranceaddict" or a "clubber" or "raver" whatever, 8 year olds don't belong at raves and certaintly can't get into clubs. So
I assume that the average age of people on here is 20 - 25, so I doubt that most even know what they are talking about if they didn't actually experience it back then, other than read about it, watch videos, listen to the music etc. So it's a little silly to be focusing on how much better this music was back then when I am sure most people were into it around the late 90s and early 00s, when it became more well known, popular....esp in places like the US and Canada where even now...it's not a very accepted or well-known genre (but probably more than it was in 1993). |
+1, I was 4 in 1993. :D But I started listening to EDM fairly early, when I was 11, which was in 2000. |
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| EvoX |
in '93 i was 16 and already clubbing ....
love to here the old tunes ..... and there are enough party's where they play um so what's the prob??
enough people nowadays young and old still go crazy on the old tunes... |
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| Aristronica |
| in either case everyone should save themselves about 5-7 years and just move on to house. |
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