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Putin - TIME mag's Man Of The Year. (pg. 4)
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| Ygrene |
| quote: | Originally posted by jfk-pilot
"Russia lives in history—and history lives in Russia."
- Time Magazine
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Is this Time's version of a 'In Soviet Russia...' joke?! |
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| Aristronica |
| quote: | Originally posted by bananas
"a bit manipulating" what the are you talking about, the guy wants dictatorship to be back in russia and
i live in lithuania, so none of "american propaganda" reaches me, so it has no influence on me.
they're making statements like the baltic countries are a threat to russia, cause of NATO, it's insane, russia even released an official map, where the baltic countries are painted in the same color like whole russia, they want ussr back. |
no on cares about lithuania. shut the up before we put up more missles in your country and point them at europe. :p |
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| bananas |
| :]]] it's quite ironic that you think russia is so great, while you yourself, as I see, have gone to usa. |
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| Aristronica |
| quote: | Originally posted by bananas
:]]] it's quite ironic that you think russia is so great, while you yourself, as I see, have gone to usa. |
not really. i, for one, would not like to serve two years in chechnya and have some rebel cut my head off with a sword.
there are some things i agree with, and other things i think are pointless. i think that's pretty standard with any philosophical mind. just because i think putin is great for russia at the moment doesn't mean i agree with all of the he's doing wrong at the same time. i think people missed this concept completely. |
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| bananas |
Well people were thinking that Hitler and Stalin were great for their countries at that moment :]
Of course he's done something good, he would've been elected even if the election wasn't fixed so that says something about how people feel towars him. But overall picture of Russia's politics is very very bad, especially from foreign perspective. |
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| Aristronica |
| quote: | Originally posted by bananas
Well people were thinking that Hitler and Stalin were great for their countries at that moment :]
Of course he's done something good, he would've been elected even if the election wasn't fixed so that says something about how people feel towars him. But overall picture of Russia's politics is very very bad, especially from foreign perspective. |
USA seems to up on an international level too. the foreign perspective on american politics isn't all that great either. however i don't see Bush being compared to Hitler and Stalin. please explain your logic about this little lack of parity. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aristronica
not really. i, for one, would not like to serve two years in chechnya and have some rebel cut my head off with a sword.
there are some things i agree with, and other things i think are pointless. i think that's pretty standard with any philosophical mind. just because i think putin is great for russia at the moment doesn't mean i agree with all of the he's doing wrong at the same time. i think people missed this concept completely. |
It's a slippery slope you're on, but I understand you.
ps. LONG LIVE MY BROTHERS IN CHECHNYA!!! |
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| Aristronica |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
It's a slippery slope you're on, but I understand you.
ps. LONG LIVE MY BROTHERS IN CHECHNYA!!! |
mmm i like slippery. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aristronica
all this bull american propaganda against putin seems to miss the fact he restored a russian economy that was so far down the ter even african countries were laughing. all you idiots who criticize him obviously have no idea how much better russia is these days and are basically going off what you read from american sources. yes he's a bit manipulative but goddamn social security is actually being paid on time (yes in small amount but it's better than nothing as was the case under yeltsin).
"omg he's not pro-american so he's automatically evil." off with that. |
Actually, my opinion has nothing to do with that. I'm against totalitarian regimes and his is so far removed from "democracy" that it is practically that. He has turned the economy around by making it a country driven by hedonistic materialism much like the United States, only with every single power available to him thrusting it in that direction. Yeah people are making money, but the poor are also getting poorer. ( http://www.carnegieendowment.org/ev...ntDetail&id=599 ) The state owns or controls practically every single media outlet and all the major news networks. That is not good. I'm not saying the US is any better (it isn't really) but at least no one is calling Bush man of the Year...
Hitler also saved Germany from depression, but that does not excuse the horrible things he did, and neither does it for Putin. |
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| Omega_M |
The Russian Czar !! He has the personality of a great leader. This man commands respect IMO. However corrupt or brutal he may be.
You guys should read the TIME magazine article on Putin. It's a long read, but interesting.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2...1690766,00.html |
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| callme:gsmile: |
See Dennys, I do agree that compared to before the situation for many Russians has improved. The major problem with that is that there is an ever growing disparity between rich and poor. History repeats itself my friend, and when this happens sooner or later these same disparities amount to civil unrest. Censorship and control of the media are also some of the earlier signs that more is to come. An independant state does not regress completely overnight, the comparisons that can be made between todays Russia and Nazi Germany are becoming more apparent and scarier everyday. Add to this the disparity between rich and poor that i mentioned previously and all the elements for a proper conflict internally as well as externally are brewing nicely towards an eventual boil over.
The Russia you see today will not be as civil in 5 years (if you can even call it civil, as human rights are becoming a bigger issue in this country even to the point of eventually trumping the Peoples Republic Of China). In short, when the hits the fan it will not be pretty. If you cobine this with the situations in the rest of the world, this is something that needs to be adressed sooner than later, because Putin's Russia will not work, and when it fails the threats between east and west will come back to the center stage. No one wants this.
I don't say any of this out of dislike to Russians either. Through playing hockey with many, to working with them, as well as counting many as my personal friends, Russians are a great people with values and not all corrupt mafia types. The problem is Germans are great people as well, sometimes an improper Hierarchy (and this is the case) can make the best people do some of the worst things.)
I believe this is the most serious post i have ever made and i feel dirty. (Donkey chop, herpes , aids, stoli, phew *wipes brow*)
Call me:gsmile: |
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