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| MeLLyMeL |
| quote: | Originally posted by celestial thug
what a lame cop out. first you accuse me of being a member, then im a troll for having another oppinion than you. great!
have you heard about the CHRISTIAN group called the Jehovas Witness, just to name a single one...again. Howabout salafi wahabi muslims who marry their 12 y.o daughters away? Howabout Christian pressure groups that bombs abortion clinics and kill doctors? religion is of and by itself organised insanity and a crime against humanity. But im not one to make difference between them. either they are all legal, or they are all illegal. This picking and chosing si teh suxx0r! becasue they are at the core of it the same thing.
Now what just happened here is that i belive in freedom and you dont. A stand made famous through the words "I am deeply offended by every single belief that you hold sir, but i will die for your right to have them".
Freedom is about the right to make even terrible mistakes with your life without selfrighteous cumgobblers telling you that they know better than you do what is best for you.
its called freedom and there is no substitute for it, especially not in smug self-righteousness.
Im looking for some damn perspective here. USA has killed and maimed millions just within my lifetime, and my country has willingly helped. So has UK, in fact, so has Germany. Why are the no angry pickets at all the cultures that cause the very same things that scientology does but on a much MUCH larger scale? |
you still haven't backed yourself up.
what is naming religions and abortion clinic bombings have anything to do with the brainwashing of disconnecting with family???
Then you go off about goverment and the killings they have done.
w/e dude.
lol@ the cake is a lie. The cake is for u to bring yourself to eat.. not to share. I hope no one in their right mind eats cake given from a stranger :nervous: |
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| celestial thug |
| quote: | | what is naming religions and abortion clinic bombings have anything to do with the brainwashing of disconnecting with family??? |
it is practiced by christian groups like jehovas witness alongside scientology. It is practiced by moon, it is practiced...am i not repeating myself here?, which of these facts would you like me to google for you?
| quote: | | Then you go off about goverment and the killings they have done. |
yes im looking for the perspective to put in the allegded evil of this particular cult. Scientology is much much more evil than...x...and as such should be protested against and fought fiercely?
What evil am i to compare them to? because in the overall scheme of things they seem to be a very small insignifigant player. If were talking about the business of evil, they are pissants, and just another religion ...if thats what they are. remove this:
"a church, its integrated auxiliaries, and conventions and associations of the church are excluded from taxation." United States Code, Title 26, § 508(c)(1)(A).
and you will see them claim to be a company over night. |
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| kadomony |
| personally, i'd eat anonymous' cake. it's probably full of win, lulz, and aids. |
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| celestial thug |
If money is the issue look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax
On jehovas witness:
http://www.freeminds.org/buss/shunning.htm
Mormons:
"Although Mormons teach "family togetherness," in practice many Mormons shun family members who leave the church, and a Mormon spouse who no longer believes is often divorced. In other words, Mormonism often breaks families up."
the brethren:
"FORMER members of the religious sect that has taken over a Heaton Mersey school have spoken of their disgust at the way the group allegedly splits up families."
the list of absusive "churches" is practically endless and a good place to start is: http://www.culthelp.info
So again, what makes scientology so bad? To me they look like any run of the mill cult, they have just been more succesfull, but not as succesfull as the accepted cults obviously. which is why they spend to much resource on fighting this newcommer, and even people who are not religious plays into this scheme willingly. |
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| mezzir |
| quote: | Originally posted by celestial thug
If money is the issue look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax
On jehovas witness:
http://www.freeminds.org/buss/shunning.htm
Mormons:
"Although Mormons teach "family togetherness," in practice many Mormons shun family members who leave the church, and a Mormon spouse who no longer believes is often divorced. In other words, Mormonism often breaks families up."
the brethren:
"FORMER members of the religious sect that has taken over a Heaton Mersey school have spoken of their disgust at the way the group allegedly splits up families."
the list of absusive "churches" is practically endless and a good place to start is: http://www.culthelp.info
So again, what makes scientology so bad? To me they look like any run of the mill cult, they have just been more succesfull, but not as succesfull as the accepted cults obviously. which is why they spend to much resource on fighting this newcommer, and even people who are not religious plays into this scheme willingly. |
I'm curious, what's your angle on all of this, why are you so passionate to prove everyone wrong? Are you just against all religion or what? |
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| MeLLyMeL |
Mormons.. they are not a threat to human life.
Scientology will kick you out once you are of no use to them [Money is low, sickness etc..]
The way the Chruch is run is all wrong. You need to read up on it a bit more. It's all secrets [well kept] and lies. Should not be considered a religion at all. I am glad that Anonymous is doing all these organized protests. Absolutely nothing wrong with protesting something you feel is wrong.
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| celestial thug |
| quote: | Originally posted by mezzir
I'm curious, what's your angle on all of this, why are you so passionate to prove everyone wrong? Are you just against all religion or what? |
Very much so, but as long as we as societies accept religion, we should accept ALL silly and expensive beliefs. All churches are abusive at a mental level, but not all victims feel that they are so, and this goes for scientology aswell. So who am I, or anyone else for that matter to tell them that they are?
But what happens is that, -im sure well intended-, outsiders make it their business what these adults do with their lifes, and i find the sheer arrogance of this breathtaking.
My government is trying to tell me that i should smoke pot, because they believe it damages my health and that they btw. know better than i do what is good for me. I fail to see the difference.
If im free, then im free to up too. and from my own life i know that the best, most valued lessons i have, came in this way. I made mistakes, i learned, life moved on.
| quote: | | Absolutely nothing wrong with protesting something you feel is wrong. |
we agree fully, i just commented what i felt about the protest when its not carried out to full extend targeting ALL abusive churches, and there are many :)
And im still just looking for the perspective behind anonymous reasoning. or perhaps rather consistency in it?!
Dont get me wrong, scientology is evil to the bone is my held belief, but they will have to find a place in line because there are so many takers for that position.
Read up a little on Mormons, they are a seriously ed up bunch. They have lifes, families, whatever vile you can come up with they have on their consiousness, or lack thereof perhaps. :)
It is easy for all of us to target groups, but groups consists of people of which a majority will have their feelings hurt be being victimised now that they dont feel that they are themself. Is that right? |
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| mezzir |
So you believe that religion is incapable of doing net good?
And also I appreciate that you realize what a slippery slope this is, but saying that instead of drawing the line somewhere we should not draw one at all is simple asinine. It seems that, according to your logic, people should not and are incapable of reasonably judging one another? Because it seems that the gist of your argument is 'who are we to say what's right' I can respect that, and see its merit, but thats where you seem to fail to acknowledge the concept that a society can act as a relative whole in dictating what is right and wrong. |
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| mezzir |
| quote: | Originally posted by celestial thug
Read up a little on Mormons, they are a seriously ed up bunch. They have lifes, families, whatever vile you can come up with they have on their consiousness, or lack thereof perhaps. :) |
Fundamentalist Mormons, please note the distinction. There's a world of difference between FLDS and LDS. |
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| celestial thug |
| quote: | Originally posted by mezzir
So you believe that religion is incapable of doing net good? |
yes, but i believe that religious people are often very capable of doing "good deeds", i would claim in contrary to their held beliefs, but whatever on my part right :). Good work is good work is good work...
| quote: | | And also I appreciate that you realize what a slippery slope this is, but saying that instead of drawing the line somewhere we should not draw one at all is simple asinine. |
if society made scientology illegal, and only scientology, i would find that very sad and double standards. The thing is, society have not drawn a line, an anonymous groups is doing that. And the anonymous part is what is most worrying about it. What are their actual agenda, do you know? Are they christian out to save souls? as long as we dont know who they are, or represent whatever claim they make, may or may not be real. And the idea of secret/hidden accusers ressonates very bad with me personally, and with our whole idea of justice as put into a system.
You have a right to know your accuser in a court of law where i live, and i belive it is fundamental to "justice".
| quote: | | It seems that, according to your logic, people should not and are incapable of reasonably judging one another? |
from anything but a subjective perspective, and there is nothing wrong with it, but it makes me carefull not to "throw the first stone" and i hate the fact that its used to make moral laws.
| quote: | | I can respect that, and see its merit, but thats where you seem to fail to acknowledge the concept that a society can act as a relative whole in dictating what is right and wrong. |
but it hasnt! and thats the point. this is the modern day lynchmob in the street with anonymous leading on. |
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| kadomony |
this thread went from discussion of epic win to real discusssion.
NOT ACCEPTABLE! :whip: |
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