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| celestial thug |
| lol, ok, sorry my bad. Just forget my concerns and move on with what was going on :D |
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| Dojomaster26 |
I believe I need to clarify what Anon's aims are for the protests, in light of recent posts.
Anonymous is not protesting against the belief system of the 'Church' Of Scientology. Anonymous is not protesting against the 1st Amendment right of the 'Church' Of Scientology to express its belief system.
Anonymous is protesting against the criminal actions and abusive practices of the organization known as the 'Church Of Scientology'. These actions are as follows:
- The cover-up of the death of Lisa McPherson, who was removed from hospital care by Scientologists, and found dead 17 days later in a room at the Fort Harrison Hotel.
- The operation of the prison known as "Rehabilitation Project Force", where children are being held against their will to do hard labor in order to become "in ethics"
- The 'disconnection' policy that forces family members to cut ties with one another.
- The abuse of high-ranking Scientology officials by the Chairman Of the Board, David Miscavige.
- The abuse of 'church' members by denying them medical care or the use of non-Scientology-approved medicine.
- The abuse of female 'church' members in the group's "Sea Org" division by forcing them to have abortions.
- The abuse of 'church' members by giving them insufficient nourishment (a diet of rice and beans), and not providing adequate compensation for work performed ($50 a week for 60+ hour work-weeks does not satisfy the minimum wage laws).
- The abuse, slander, and harassment of Scientology critics, all authorized by an official church "Fair Game" policy.
- The blackmail of members through the use of 'Auditing' sessions to gather personal secrets and use that information to prevent members from defecting.
- The operation of a "bait-and-switch" type business, where members are forced to 'donate' a large amount of money for 'courses' before they can learn the basic beliefs of the organization.
- The fact that the 'church' receives special tax breaks from the IRS, that no other 'religious' organization receives, even when the group gives its parishioners commissions based of recruitment, and members are forced to make 'fixed donations' in order to stay in the church.
- And there's more where that came from... |
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| celestial thug |
thank you for illuminating and expanding on those things Dojomaster. If Anon is truely rightious, then all the best. I just have no way of confirming their actual motivation one way or the other as these same things are practiced by other groups and or companies that are concidered socially accepted, and anon is anonymous.
When i dont know the accuser, and i can see that the issues, serious as they are, are ever present in religion aswell as politics and finances i just have to ponder.
| quote: | | The fact that the 'church' receives special tax breaks from the IRS, that no other 'religious' organization receives, even when the group gives its parishioners commissions based of recruitment, and members are forced to make 'fixed donations' in order to stay in the church. |
All churches that register as such are tax exempt in the US afaii, and the large part of Europe aswell. In fact, im paying 1% of my earnings to the christian church by LAW and im not even christian. |
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| celestial thug |
as for the masks, and that they have to wear them because scientology is known to harrass people. BS! I know that they are, but thats why you fight tyrants and let them know who you are,because you show that you are unafraid, nothing they can do or say scares you, you demonstrate their lack of power over you by letting them know who you are.
point in case:
http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell
this guy takes on radical islam with his face first, and he is very popular for it mind you. His target are not known to harass their critics in court, but to murder, bomb and mangle them. But there he is, on youtube with his face plastered all over the place saying in large words "FU radical islam, you dont scare me"
so do i think that Anon comes of as and dishonest? hell yeah!!! |
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| Spike |
| quote: | Originally posted by celestial thug
as for the masks, and that they have to wear them because scientology is known to harrass people. BS! I know that they are, but thats why you fight tyrants and let them know who you are,because you show that you are unafraid, nothing they can do or say scares you, you demonstrate their lack of power over you by letting them know who you are.
point in case:
http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell
this guy takes on radical islam with his face first, and he is very popular for it mind you. His target are not known to harass their critics in court, but to murder, bomb and mangle them. But there he is, on youtube with his face plastered all over the place saying in large words "FU radical islam, you dont scare me"
so do i think that Anon comes of as and dishonest? hell yeah!!! |
yeaaaaaaahhhhh but see these people are ing nuts. like seriously crazy, and if they do deem you as much of a threat they WILL literally stalk and harass you, basically scare the out of you. this dude might be taking on islam in your view but the reality is by exposing himself he puts his life in danger if lets say someone decides to find him and kill em |
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| celestial thug |
| quote: | | yeaaaaaaahhhhh but see these people are ing nuts. like seriously crazy, and if they do deem you as much of a threat they WILL literally stalk and harass you, basically scare the out of you. |
if you allow that, then im sure that whats going to happen to you. And i find them no more crazy, as i have said allready ,than several groups, movements and companies. Their methods are no more sinister than those of the Coca Cola company, just to take another easy target.
| quote: | | this dude might be taking on islam in your view but the reality is by exposing himself he puts his life in danger if lets say someone decides to find him and kill em |
he believes in his cause and the public effect his possible death would have (and so does his opponents). But im sure he doesnt aim specifically for it.
So...anon...do you belive in your cause? Enough to handle it like all the men and women history remember for fighting tyrants by refusing to be bullied into hiding or fear by them. |
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| RJT |
:stongue:
Wow. Bravo.
Did they put something in the water this week? It just seems like the idiots are on parade lately... |
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| celestial thug |
| Anon, and whom else? |
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| Jackson |
| quote: | Originally posted by celestial thug
Anon, and whom else? |
Are you an Alt? You seem very "involved" for someone who has just joined. |
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| celestial thug |
alt? part of their movement? no, in no way what so ever. I was told by another producer that this was a nice place to discuss trance and whatever, and by pure change this subject was here when i joined. The philosophy of freedom is very dear to me, so obviously i jumped into it because quite frankly, there are too many unknowns in this to make me fully comfortable.
Scientology has been the target of other religious groups fighting for souls, and i ahve seen one dishonest org after another become exposed as anything but "anti cult", they were just orgs fighting competetion. What excacty is Anon, who claims responsability, and who has the cojones to stand up in the open and make his case? If that was the case iw ould be all ears, but im not listening to hidden accusers, nomatter if their facts check up because i dont know or understand the real motivation without knowing who they are.
It may all be genuine, but i doubt it. It would be the first time that anonymous groups are so out of rightiousness and nothing but.
Its just youre luck that i hapened to enter on a day when there was a subject dear to me old ticker' :D |
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| MeLLyMeL |
| you are under estimating how corrupt the CoS is. [I understand so is most of the govt, other religions blah blah blah] But the legal team behind the Church has literally gotten away with murder. |
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| celestial thug |
if you understand that so is government, and most religion, then what exactly is the problem? I understand that we should fight evil as defined as causing harm to other people, obviously, but we should do so out in the open. They are deceptive and hide in the woodworks, so now im asking...what makes anon different in this regard?
Apparently they are more righteous than scientology, but as defined by whom and compared to what.
If you are not religious, would you not be highly offended by being emotionally hijacked by another cult to do their dirty work. Do you know that youre not? |
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