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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
outside of the Arabic world (including those who identify themselves as Arabic ethnicly if not geographicly) very few Muslims actually believe that "the west" is "the great satan" (note... satan means rival, not devil/Lucifer/Barbara Streisand, as we believe it to mean).
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As far as I know, Shaitana dn Iblis are both independent entities that have much in common with the judeo-Chrisitan satan. I've spoken to SE Asian Muslims (indonesian and malay) about this and as far as I gather they have a similar understanding. |
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| Domesticated |
Moral Hazard pretty much summed up what I meant.
9/11 was an attack on America. Innocent citizens, yes, but still an act designed to hurt 'the enemy'. Since the Cold War, America and other Western nations have spent millions, both publicly and privately, in abolishing Middle-Eastern regimes they didn't agree with and propping up the governments they thought were best for their interests in the region.
Many Muslims in the area feel cheated and humiliated by these actions. 9/11 was the embodiment of these feelings. Sushi got it right when he said the attack was in response to 'aggressive foreign policy'.
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
That makes little sense as the US had no aggressive foreign policy toward Afganistan since they provided the funds and weapons to liberate it from the Soviets. Even if they did; however, the west is really just a useful fool for the Islamists to acheive their goals as opposed to the target of their ambitions. The real goal of the Islamists is to overthrow the political regimes that presently control the Arabic world in favor of Salfist Islamic theocracies... the US is the main target because most of these governments are friendly toward the US (good old capitalist greed) and portraying the US as an enemy of Islam creates conflict between the people and their governments. Drawing the US into armed conflict with the Arabic countries and thereby creating more opposition toward the US and by extention the local governments is the real goal of terrorism.
(I'm paraphrasing Gwynn Dyer) |
This sounds fairly correct to me, except you missed that the current political regimes are sympathetic to the US because they have been carried into power by it. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Moral Hazard pretty much summed up what I meant.
9/11 was an attack on America. Innocent citizens, yes, but still an act designed to hurt 'the enemy'. Since the Cold War, America and other Western nations have spent millions, both publicly and privately, in abolishing Middle-Eastern regimes they didn't agree with and propping up the governments they thought were best for their interests in the region.
Many Muslims in the area feel cheated and humiliated by these actions. 9/11 was the embodiment of these feelings. Sushi got it right when he said the attack was in response to 'aggressive foreign policy'.
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em, might makes right! last time i checked radical islamists waged war on everyone because nobody (apart from themselves) is a "true" muslim.
the documentary "the power of nightmares" is an awesome examination of radical islam against the backdrop of american neoconservatism. |
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| Krypton |
| I think Islamists rally around their religion like the communists rallied around their ideology. Revolution! Islamist revolution! 9/11 was supposed to be the catalyst of this revolution. Unfortunately for Zawahiri and bin Laden, it didn't work. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I think Islamists rally around their religion like the communists rallied around their ideology. Revolution! Islamist revolution! 9/11 was supposed to be the catalyst of this revolution. Unfortunately for Zawahiri and bin Laden, it didn't work. |
Hey, your sig is better that PKC's. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Hey, your sig is better that PKC's. |
Hah! His rank is slightly higher than mine though...:( There are 4 factions. His sig is the Cybran one. I'm the Seraphim, because that's all I play with. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Hah! His rank is slightly higher than mine though...:( There are 4 factions. His sig is the Cybran one. I'm the Seraphim, because that's all I play with. |
Oh, well that's a let-down.
Well, yours looks better! :p
Edit: Yeah, now I see the # ranking overall. He really failed for a while there though, huh? Haha!
Ha.
Ha.
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Well, yours looks better! :p |
every time you make a comment like this i wish i had the art thread bookmarked so i could post that awesome painting you did :tongue2 |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
every time you make a comment like this i wish i had the art thread bookmarked so i could post that awesome painting you did :tongue2 |
This one?
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| lols! that's the one. looks like the money shot from someone who has had their nuts in a vice for a month. |
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