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how is hilary more experienced than obama?
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| Spacey Orange |
| anyone know? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
She's been involved in national politics for considerably longer.
Four extra years in the Senate means she was a more highly-ranking member of a number of committees, and eight years living in the White House, no matter what her role actually was, gives her pretty good insight into the responsibilities and challenges of the office of the President. Before that she was the first lady of a state for about 12 years, so she has a pretty good idea of the roles and responsibilities of the gubernatorial office as well. During all that time she has advocated for and helped write some major policy proposals, including the SCHIP (child healthcare) package that was passed under President Clinton and then failed under Bush this year.
Before politics she was also an active lawyer and involved in the business world as a legal advisor.
By contrast, Obama has been in the US Senate for three years, was a member of the Illinois state legislature for a few years before that, but has mostly been involved in community activism while serving as President of the Harvard Law Review and a professor of law at the University of Chicago. So while he has been deeply engaged in civic issues, his experience at the national level is definitely not as deep as Hillary's, and his experience with foreign policy has been largely absorbed from people like Senator Biden while he has been a junior member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
So the argument comes down to what you think is more important - familiarity with the institutional responsibilities and challenges of the office of the President on Day 1, or a fresh take on the whole thing. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Four extra years in the Senate means she was a more highly-ranking member of a number of committees,
and eight years living in the White House, no matter what her role actually was, gives her pretty good insight into the responsibilities and challenges of the office of the President. |
could we then say the same of the white house butler or Chelsae, or laura bush?
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Before that she was the first lady of a state for about 12 years, so she has a pretty good idea of the roles and responsibilities of the gubernatorial office as well. |
ibid
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
During all that time she has advocated for and helped write some major policy proposals, including the SCHIP (child healthcare) package that was passed under President Clinton and then failed under Bush this year. |
her biggest accomplishment is a failure(s)?
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Before politics she was also an active lawyer and involved in the business world as a legal advisor. |
her appointment and jobs have allegedly been largely a result of her marriage to a sitting governor not her own merit.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
So the argument comes down to what you think is more important - familiarity with the institutional responsibilities and challenges of the office of the President on Day 1, or a fresh take on the whole thing. |
both sides of the same coin. both sides . . . .i srsly lol at this 'ready from day one' gibberish. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spacey Orange
could we then say the same of the white house butler or Chelsae, or laura bush?
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You could say the same of Laura.
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her biggest accomplishment is a failure(s)?
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Well, the version she helped write first passed in 1997, but when they tried to renew it this year (10 year sunset on the bill), it passed and was then veto'ed by Bush, prompting the now-infamous Bushism: "We already have expanded healthcare for children in this country. It's called the Emergency Room."
So it wasn't really a failure. The point there is that Obama has never actually crafted much legislation, other than a bill he co-wrote with Orrin Hatch making it permissible for families that declare bankruptcy to continue tithing to their churches.
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her appointment and jobs have allegedly been largely a result of her marriage to a sitting governor not her own merit.
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This is true, but the argument doesn't really hold water. Hillary has been a pretty successful Senator in her own right. And the same could be said of many other politicians - after all, as Maureen Dowd said, without his father, George W. Bush would just be pumping gas at a Shell station in East Texas. |
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| Krypton |
| Lebez, do you remember me stating my dream team was obama/hillary? I'll be DAMNED if I am right! Hillary/obama would be unbeatable on the presidential ballot.. |
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| Spacey Orange |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
And the same could be said of many other politicians - after all, as Maureen Dowd said, without his father, George W. Bush would just be pumping gas at a Shell station in East Texas. |
and look where that got us! do we want more of the same?
as an aside srsl lol material that is germane to this thread:
| quote: | | Clinton defended the increasingly high-profile role of her husband, former President Clinton, in her campaign and his recent sharp criticism of Obama. "At the end of the day, it's my name that is on the ballot." |
no it's not, it's his. what a stupid ****. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Lebez, do you remember me stating my dream team was obama/hillary? I'll be DAMNED if I am right! Hillary/obama would be unbeatable on the presidential ballot.. |
I personally think Obama/Frankenstein would be unbeatable against Romney or McCain. :p |
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| donnybrasco |
Hilary and Obama are both equally IN-experienced, IMHO.
It's like arguing who's going to suck worse. :tongue2 |
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| DJ Shibby |
| Last I checked, experience plays no part in politics. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Last I checked, experience plays no part in politics. |
Executive experience does. it always has. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
Hilary and Obama are both equally IN-experienced, IMHO.
It's like arguing who's going to suck worse. :tongue2 |
Then which candidate in this year's race does have experience? Romney? Giuliani? Edwards? McCain?
I could make a pretty serious argument for Hillary's experience on a whole dearth of matters that surpasses any of theirs. McCain has her on one or two issues (largely military-related), but even there, Hillary has been receiving regular briefings as a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee for the past eight years and is no novice.
She ran extensive campaigns for healthcare and education as a First Lady, and has continued to draft and co-sponsor relevant legislation in the Senate. I will agree that Obama's experience is somewhat shallow... however, his strength is that he has not been "corrupted" by the system and his legislative track record, though short, is not filled with regular rookie mistakes. That and his lifetime commitment to service in the community make him something of a political wunderkind, which is the source of his support. |
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