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FAO: Bassel, Vernon, Football fans (pg. 4)
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| smakmagik |
rsenal manger Arsene Wenger has retracted comments calling for Birmingham defender Martin Taylor to be banned for life following his tackle on Eduardo on Saturday.
Taylor was shown a red card in the opening moments of the 2-2 draw at St Andrews after he caught the Gunners striker, who apparently suffered a badly broken leg.
Immediately after the game, in which James McFadden equalised in injury-time, a furious Wenger said: "This guy should never play football again. What is he doing on the football pitch?"
Blues boss Alex McLeish and former manager Steve Bruce jumped to the defence of the player, who was described as "distraught", and Wenger has now softened his stance.
"It was a highly emotional afternoon and we were all shocked by the injury to Eduardo," said Wenger, who expects the Croatian to miss this summer's European Championships.
"On reflection, I feel that my comments about Martin Taylor were excessive. I said what I did immediately after the game in the heat of the moment."
Arsenal confirmed on Saturday evening that Eduardo had undergone surgery on a broken leg. |
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| smakmagik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
leg break or not, i believe he'd have probably gone, because there's a big clampdown in england atm on tackles from behind that are dangerous, 2 footed, high etc.
I think if you don't think it deserves a red then you don't really understand football, you can't give just a yellow because it's early on, if it's an offence, it shouldn't matter when it's done, he went in with his studs up and deserves whatever ban he gets for it (prob 3-5 games) What is worse is the inconsistency of the fa, players are sent off now for language for example but a lot of tackles, bad ones, high ones, which aren't seen & punished live, they let the people get away with instead of punishing those responsible. |
If you watch the referees nowadays, I think it would be wise to say that the consequence of the tackle deserved a red more than the tackle. Don't get me wrong, I think it was a red card even though it was just 2 minutes in, but the referee would have 9 out of 10 times only booked him if Eduardo had sprang back up.
It was definitely a red, I just keep hoping the injury wasn't as bad :( |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zewad
its 2 min into the game, unless there is some back story or earlier season hostility or some other factor a red card was not merited..
75 min in with both teams showing a lot of aggression then yes..
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I've obviously given you more credit in my previous post than you deserve; whether it be 2 minutes in or 75 minutes in doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. A foul doesn't become more significant as the run of play goes on - If it was a yellow or a red in the second minute, it doesn't become any more of a yellow or a red in the 75th minute.
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
To add to that, na there isn't too much tendon damage apparently. It was a clean break and not his ankle so hopefully he should be back.
Oh well, roll on World Cup 2010 now I guess :( :( :( |
What an absolute ing ball bag of a post. Please off you cluesless cheb end. |
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| Zewad |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
I've obviously given you more credit in my previous post than you deserve; whether it be 2 minutes in or 75 minutes in doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. A foul doesn't become more significant as the run of play goes on - If it was a yellow or a red in the second minute, it doesn't become any more of a yellow or a red in the 75th minute. |
i decided to let this thread go but you called me back out.. so here we go..
I understand that penaties are the same at any point in a game just as any sport, but my point is that referees have their own personal tendencies and patterns which dictates their calls. Everybody is sort of on a clean slate at the beginning of a game b/c no calls have yet been made. I only saw the blurry youtube video and the one clear clean shot of the foot headed in a downwards direction towards the dudes ankle that were shown in this thread. I have no idea who these teams are or who these players are but I understand the rules of soccer. If I were a referee I might be that guy who just lets things happen more on the field than other guys, which I'm sure is common throughout all soccer leagues, just as in any sport.
My opinion is that the player was coming in at a downward angle and from the picture and fuzzy video alone it doesnt look that malicioius.
Back to the point of it being 75th min or this game having prior history was to infer that the refs know the mind set of these players and might be a little more trigger happy with the whistle knowing that somebody might be out for revenge on somebody else. |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
leg break or not, i believe he'd have probably gone, because there's a big clampdown in england atm on tackles from behind that are dangerous, 2 footed, high etc.
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Ian, is this really a challenge from behind?
Because it looks to me like it's full on from pretty much the front. I see this sort of challenge week in week out go without punishment - including even a yellow card. At this level and at the level I play at as well. The difference this time is that someone came out with a leg broken.
You say that you don't think anyone who doesn't think this is a red card doesn't understand football. I say that anyone who does think this is a red card obviously hasn't been watching football since the premiership league came into play.
Fair play to Arsene Wenger for retracting his comment. I think this is the first time I've had even a morsel of respect for the lad since I can even remember.  |
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| Zewad |
yes,.. that shot is the money maker for me.. clearly in front and just a tad late... its a contact sport,.. happens... bummer..
yellow card and i'm now that ref thats a bit trigger happy for that player...b/c i know what he is capable of..
edit: the more i think about it though.. if this guy had been known for doing this sort of slide tackling in prior games i might be more inclined to give him an immediate red card..
but im at an all clean slate position here... these refs are smart.. they know the game and the players what was this guy's intent?? |
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| verndogs |
| After finally watching a clear clip of that tackle, it was more of a clumsy tackle/freak accident than anything else. Eduardo just got really, really, really unlucky that Taylor nailed him there. The refs don't have the luxury of having instant replay to make the correct call and red carded Taylor because of what happened to Eduardo. |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zewad
i decided to let this thread go but you called me back out.. so here we go..
I understand that penaties are the same at any point in a game just as any sport, but my point is that referees have their own personal tendencies and patterns which dictates their calls. Everybody is sort of on a clean slate at the beginning of a game b/c no calls have yet been made. I only saw the blurry youtube video and the one clear clean shot of the foot headed in a downwards direction towards the dudes ankle that were shown in this thread. I have no idea who these teams are or who these players are but I understand the rules of soccer. If I were a referee I might be that guy who just lets things happen more on the field than other guys, which I'm sure is common throughout all soccer leagues, just as in any sport.
My opinion is that the player was coming in at a downward angle and from the picture and fuzzy video alone it doesnt look that malicioius.
Back to the point of it being 75th min or this game having prior history was to infer that the refs know the mind set of these players and might be a little more trigger happy with the whistle knowing that somebody might be out for revenge on somebody else. |
I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at here - So I'll just reiterate my point; a foul and it's punishment in the 2nd minute is exactly the same as a foul and it's punishment in the 75th minute.
| quote: | Originally posted by Zewad
edit: the more i think about it though.. if this guy had been known for doing this sort of slide tackling in prior games i might be more inclined to give him an immediate red card.. |
You really don't get it. This has absolutely nothing to do with it - There is no such thing as a referee's grudge at this level. I'm not sure what sort of sports you watch, but this doesn't happen in a league as renowned as the premiership. You should have kept quiet after your first post - You actually looked like you might know what you were talking about.
Not now though. |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by verndogs
After finally watching a clear clip of that tackle, it was more of a clumsy tackle/freak accident than anything else. Eduardo just got really, really, really unlucky that Taylor nailed him there. The refs don't have the luxury of having instant replay to make the correct call and red carded Taylor because of what happened to Eduardo. |
In a nutshell |
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| Zewad |
and you really dont understand that i agree with what you are saying..
maybe you are too dense to understand what i am saying??
eh.. NFL is better anyway and is the real professional football..
NCAA football wins though
GO Gators... !
im done.. |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
Yes, lets bring in a second sport now to support your arguement.
Jog on you silly bellend. Stick to what you know. |
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