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Poor mixing skills of DJ Tiesto at Gatecrasher 2002, Dutch Dimension and etc, etc (pg. 7)
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| burns |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
Judge Jules mixing was awesome, he was second that night only to Scot Project, so less of the pisstaking :D |
lol, I was taking the piss, Im a big Jules fan but every-one hammers him so that why i reffered to that post using him as an example.
Whilst Jules is on the topic, Do you know what tunes he dropped that night ? @ NEC ? |
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| burns |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cubano
Man I love Tiesto...his tracks are incredible. That man has opened my eyes to a whole new world of trance. He is awesome when I DJ he is one of the guys I look up to. Tiesto ing rocks man he knows how to party. |
Magikal :) |
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| Acid Circus |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceCluber
well your making a smooth transition through a 30 sec youll have to do the same for progressive just in a 3 min transition .... so i think there is much more room of error in 3min then 30 seconds.... ...you watch many progressive djs they will be so focused on the mix that you wont really seeing them jumping up and down in the booth...and i know many trance djs and if you watch many trance djs they wont play a mix as a prog dj does..well im not saying ever prog dj is good many suck as well but the good prog djs really focus on the transition they will have there ear cued up to the mix for minutes.... and yes trance would never be as smooth as progressive in the transitions but most trance djs lack in skills and if majority of you djs dont see that then i dunno what to say...... well for me trance is much easier to mix ..... |
Yes, but if you have 3 minutes to slowly blend in the bass, match the highs and mids and slowly blend the sounds together then smoothness becomes easier. I've said it before and I will say it again, beat matching is the most fundamental part of mixing, for me it has become second nature, I could happily hold 2 beats together for hours if it were possible. So I believe progressive is far easier to mix as I try to apply the same smoothness that I would give to a progressive mix to a trance mix. That means a lot less time to blend the kick drums together (a vital and overlooked area from many DJ's), basically no time to do anything with highs and mids, you can forget about doing anything with mids in 30 seconds. This makes it harder to acomplish a smoother sounding mix. You are correct in saying a lot of DJ's lack skills, but is true across most genres, there are a few DJ's which are technically gifted in each genre, some good ones and a lot of poor ones.
And focus is a matter of opinion, when I am focused in on a mix a bounce around with the beats, some DJ's just stand there, whatever works for one person may not work for another! |
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| Stiffmaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by Az
Judge Jules mixing was awesome, he was second that night only to Scot Project, so less of the pisstaking :D |
im a big jules fan too.......his mixing is good and he always suprises with new great tracks when he is spinning. |
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| Az |
| I've actually been disappointed by every set of Jules I've ever heard, but at the NEC he was great, top tunes, top mixing. Just hope he can stay like this for a while :rolleyes: |
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| TranceCluber |
| quote: | Originally posted by burns
Allright dont get carried away son, Your slipping off topic a tiny little bit.
I think all the Tiesto bashers have satisfied them selfs now they have expressed them selfs, so what do you say ? Close Thread. |
i wasnt bashing tiesto at all...tiesto is still on of my favorite trance djs ....so is PVD ..many of you know im a PVD fan for the longest time and always will be.....just cuz im saying tiesto lack skills compared to some other djs doesnt mean im bashing him or mean i dont like him..... if tiesto played here tomarrow i would go see him or any other day in a heart beat.... just the fact that most trance djs arent that good technically when they mix |
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| burns |
| Yeah, Jules can perform well then not, pitty really because if he was 100 % consistant he could be well up there ! I still love him. |
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| dj phu |
| Armin has the mixing skills with out any trainwreck. |
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| burns |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj phu
Armin has the mixing skills with out any trainwreck. |
Hey, the first 3 sets i ripped from armin were horrible, The tracklist was nice but the mixing was dead. Pretty funny actually because the 3 after that were probally the best trance sets i have ever heard, he he. Its a funny world out there.
I never liked Armin in the slightest.....Untill i saw him live at suga shacks, You may have seen the tracklist in the tracklist forum. What a set, He has skill, confidance and knew how to blow that club up ! |
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| bluE_Neon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Acid Circus
Now progressive on the other hand, you have an eternity to cue up a tune, the beats are clear, there isn't much happening in the tracks, you have an eternity to blend bass drums, highs and mids, it really is so easy with progressive tunes. Still, big respect to Digweed and Sasha as they are always consistent with their mixing. |
progressive does not have clear beats...progressive beats are quite similiar to house beats. house beats aren't at all the same as in trance, their a bit more trickier. now when i tried to spin a progressive track with another progressive, it wasn't that easy. of course, the beat matching in mixing is the hardest part. becuase progressive is not the same, each beat is actually different, and i can really hear this when i go to the club and listen to the beats of the songs i know. its amusing how you sit home and listen on headphones, and then take your ears on massive sound system and recognize almost every beat. i think that progressive is just a hard gender to understand and hard to enjoy for most people. people want good fast beats, with nice sounds without any repetition ;) but for those who know progressive, we know that progressive is just so much better :D
Digweed has the BEST MIXING skills on this planet and the thing is about Digeers, that he always wanted to have turntables and spin them. he spent so much time concentrating on mixing and it really paid off :) when i seen him live, his set was just pure flow, no mistakes, the beat-matching was just so exact to perfection. i just cudn't believe it when he spins on his KISS FM sets, that his mixing is so amazing, but after seeing him, i do believe now :) Digweed & Sasha >> Digweed is all about the beats and Sasha is all about the melody ;)
TranceClubber knows his ;) |
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| TranceCluber |
| quote: | Originally posted by bluE_Neon
progressive does not have clear beats...progressive beats are quite similiar to house beats. house beats aren't at all the same as in trance, their a bit more trickier. now when i tried to spin a progressive track with another progressive, it wasn't that easy. of course, the beat matching in mixing is the hardest part. becuase progressive is not the same, each beat is actually different, and i can really hear this when i go to the club and listen to the beats of the songs i know. its amusing how you sit home and listen on headphones, and then take your ears on massive sound system and recognize almost every beat. i think that progressive is just a hard gender to understand and hard to enjoy for most people. people want good fast beats, with nice sounds without any repetition ;) but for those who know progressive, we know that progressive is just so much better :D
Digweed has the BEST MIXING skills on this planet and the thing is about Digeers, that he always wanted to have turntables and spin them. he spent so much time concentrating on mixing and it really paid off :) when i seen him live, his set was just pure flow, no mistakes, the beat-matching was just so exact to perfection. i just cudn't believe it when he spins on his KISS FM sets, that his mixing is so amazing, but after seeing him, i do believe now :) Digweed & Sasha >> Digweed is all about the beats and Sasha is all about the melody ;)
TranceClubber knows his ;) |
i guess people have to actually dj real progressive to understand what we are talking about ... |
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| Cable |
| quote: | Originally posted by bluE_Neon
1. progressive does not have clear beats...progressive beats are quite similiar to house beats.
2. people want good fast beats, with nice sounds without any repetition ;)
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1. to me the beats can not get any clearer in progessive then they already are.
2. Isn't that what progessive is all about : repetition.
And for others who said we should try mixing progessive, how are we suppose to make a good set of a music genre that we do not really like? its like asking a rap dj to play rock. :stongue: |
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