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CDJ 800 MK2 Vs 1000 MK3 (pg. 3)
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| Breeze |
| get one of each. 1000's feel much better though. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by discobiscuit
i'm sorry, but the 800mk2 is a piece of junk compaired to the 1000mk3. i think the 1000 is easily worth 4 or 500 more dollars. it is superior in every way. i've been using a pair of BRAND NEW 800mk2's at the new club in town. they don't hold a candle to my 1000's. |
For what exactly? If you can't hold a mix with the 800mk2 you're probably not that good in the first place. Other than that I fail to see any extra features you would realistically put to good use. Maybe the waveform display? Def not worth an extra 500$.
Mk3s are nice, no doubt, but def not a necessity. |
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| djcrono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
For what exactly? If you can't hold a mix with the 800mk2 you're probably not that good in the first place. Other than that I fail to see any extra features you would realistically put to good use. Maybe the waveform display? Def not worth an extra 500$.
Mk3s are nice, no doubt, but def not a necessity. |
The hot cues and 0.02% pitch are the two main things selling me on the 1000's. Hard to justify the extra money but they're the standard and i'd rather get familiar with them rather then a model i'd never play on at an event.
The waveform display however looks like garbage, though perhaps i've been spoiled by the ones in Serato. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by djcrono
The hot cues and 0.02% pitch are the two main things selling me on the 1000's. Hard to justify the extra money but they're the standard and i'd rather get familiar with them rather then a model i'd never play on at an event.
The waveform display however looks like garbage, though perhaps i've been spoiled by the ones in Serato. |
If you use Serato why do you care about the CDJ's waveform display? lol |
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| djcrono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
If you use Serato why do you care about the CDJ's waveform display? lol |
I don't, but others have spoken very highly of it and I was just posting impressions from my first time actually seeing it. |
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| miamitranceman |
| Waveform display on the cdj is a moot point with a DVS. |
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| Clovis |
| It's not like you need the waveform anyway. With the time bar + knowing your tunes its really not necessary. |
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| djcrono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
It's not like you need the waveform anyway. With the time bar + knowing your tunes its really not necessary. |
Exactly, but again many people view it as a major selling feature. |
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| Ryan0751 |
I have 1000 MK2's, played on a friends 800 MK2's and they feel basically the same. They have the same jog, the same pitch slider (with a click on the 800's), and the same buttons.
The 1000-MK3 is just blatantly overpriced right now, considering a deck like the CDJ-400 is half the price and offers more useful features:
- Auto beat looping (which kills the 1000's manual loops)
- Beat cutting
- Beat jumping
- USB storage playback
- MIDI control for DVS's
- Some basic effects
- Still have a touch sensitive jog wheel
Looking at that feature list, the 1000 is clearly expensive because of it's place in the market as the flagship and its installed base. It should cost around $600, not $1100.
If you get the 800's and a DVS, you'll still be $500 under the cost of two CDJ-1000's, and the feature you gain in the DVS beat out all those on the 1000 (wave display, hot cues, umm that's it!).
You do lose the .02% pitch precision, but that's way over emphasized. If you can't mix with .05% increments, you need to practice, it's not the deck.
| quote: | Originally posted by Breeze
get one of each. 1000's feel much better though. |
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| Jarvmeister |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
You do lose the .02% pitch precision, but that's way over emphasized. If you can't mix with .05% increments, you need to practice, it's not the deck. |
Again, I cannot understand why this is said time and time again. So you can mix with 0.05% - but it's nicer to mix with a 0.02% resolution.
Seriously, if the 1000s weren't worth it then people wouldn't buy them. It's only the 800 owners that slag the 1000s - cos they're jealous! |
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| Ryan0751 |
I already own the 1000's! I like them for sure, but that was before the 800-MK2 came out, and the price jacked up on the 1000-MK3.
Half the time I see people using the 1000's, they leave them on the 10% setting anyway (which is .05%).
With .05% resolution, you can always get within .025 MAX of the pitch, provided the difference in two tracks lies dead between two increments. With .02% resolution, that goes down to .01.
Great. Is it better? Sure. Should Pioneer have included it on the 800's MK2's? Absolutely, they offer it on their lowest priced player, but not a $650 unit? Clearly it's because they need to differentiate them from the 1000's.
But when you think about it, for the .02 pitch precision to be totally useful, you have to be good enough at beatmatching to make it matter. My mixing (I'm told) is very tight, and frequently I get to making .04% movements... and since my CDJ's are about 3 years old, it's often hard to even move the pitch slider small enough to make it only change by .02%. So it really is moot.
Aside from that, what are the big differences?
1. Wave display - very nice, but get a DVS and you have a better display anyway.
2. Hot cues - I never, ever use these... and you can set them up in any of the big DVS's.
3. Memory cards - Maybe it's me, but I have never seen or heard anyone talk about using these.
4. 3 saveable loops, vs. 1. But they are manual, whereas the 800's are set automatically for a specific beat length, and you get a beat cutter as well.
5. A jog tension adjust
That's about it! The players are otherwise built with the same quality plastic. The differences above really don't warrant a $500/per deck difference in price.
Of course people buy them... you see them everywhere, in clubs, in magazines, in interviews with DJ's. But the 800's do just fine too, remember the 1000 was the deck that changed the way people thought about CD decks!
| quote: | Originally posted by Jarvmeister
Again, I cannot understand why this is said time and time again. So you can mix with 0.05% - but it's nicer to mix with a 0.02% resolution.
Seriously, if the 1000s weren't worth it then people wouldn't buy them. It's only the 800 owners that slag the 1000s - cos they're jealous! |
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| miamitranceman |
| That's a good point about the 400s. You can bet all of those features will be in the 1000mk4. Right now, as Ryan said, there just doesn't seem to be enough on the 1000mk3s to warrant the price difference from the 800mk2s IMO. |
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