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what would YOU do...need some serious advice (pg. 8)
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| Abercrombie |
I just read the post, and I'm not about to read 8 pages of responces, so here's mine from someone who's had messed up relationships like that.
You don't need to worry about the guy. Yeah, you have your honour, and I respect that and see it in you. But forget about him. You distanced yourself for a reason. Keep it that way. He might even thank you in the future. He messed up his life pretty bad, his parents went through enough. Grace their wishes, and move on. People come and go. Many know me now. Will they know me in 10 years? Will they care? no. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
Trust me I've been held outside the justice system under the mental health act - under armed gaurd from maplehurst.. while at a hostpital. I was held for over a month, and the charges were dropped after two weeks. I've been able to function in a University setting and have never needed psychiatric drugs to function. However when I was held under the mental health act they force medicated me, at times while strapped to a bed. Yet I've never needed them while on the outside, figure that.
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by the look of your avatar I would have never guessed |
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| Aleks_B |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
developed a growing case of schizophrenia. - while it is often said that drug use can lead to schizophernia - drug enduced disorganization and schizophrenia are two different things. Also hallucinations etc. can be an after effect of drug use, not necisarily schizo caused by drugs left in the system, such as acid.
If they do a treatment order on the guy he will be druged with psychotropics that will totally mess with his head, and likely cause liver damage - the drugs used by institutions in general are not benificial but incapacitators that disorient and cause long term toxic damage to the body.
Trust me I've been held outside the justice system under the mental health act - under armed gaurd from maplehurst.. while at a hostpital. I was held for over a month, and the charges were dropped after two weeks. I've been able to function in a University setting and have never needed psychiatric drugs to function. However when I was held under the mental health act they force medicated me, at times while strapped to a bed. Yet I've never needed them while on the outside, figure that.
You betrayed a stated mentally unstable person...
essentially he is f*#(ed for the rest of his life. 1. Institutional Treatment order may be "indefinate" esssentially a life sentance - with doctors determining when someone is released, with no set dates. 2. If he ever gets into trouble with the system he can be divirted out of the justice system, essentially not having the right to a regular or fair trial, with no rights of self representation. He is effectively disenfranchised for the rest of his life.
If he gets held under a treatment order and is put on psychotropics that is hell.. no one should be held in captivity on the basis of their lifestyle choices.. the guy could obviously function.
The courts shouldn't be ordering treatments.. prisoners even have the right to refuse treatment it is a fundamnetal right yet under the mental health act essentially people are tortured against their will.
This is truely sad, also the fact he was resisting likely landed him in jail or as a dangerous or violent offender which will only make things more difficult..
everyone knows who NOT to contact now when they need help.
You basically turned the guy in to be tortured for his choice to do drugs. -victim of the underground - victim of the system
Also I woulnd't trust this diagnosis crap.. I've been diagnosed like 5 times.. each diagnosis was different.
At the time of incapacitization I was as stated in court records -"a psychotic delusional schizophrenic" - this because of a court case that ended up being a total farse, with me catching the judge in a lie at sentencing, which caused her to blush and instruct police officers to "spray me" lwtf.
Anyway now it is to the point of "he just doesn't like other people" and you wonder why.. but really that isn't the case either. The whole thing has been political and cultural divergence, I simply don't beleive or support the same things as the archons do so I'm targetted. Because I speak out against the system, the system tries to muffle.
Anyway, I'd be very careful about betraying anyone. Bear in mind there is a drug war ongoing and has been for years now. Note though that many prominent people have done various types of drugs, ranging from acid to cocaine or canabis, and they are successfull people.
Schizophrenia as a neurological illness cause is unknown, but linked to nutrition as well as drug use, which creates psychosis. The things are all independant. Schizo is a lable that can be slapped on people to cause stigma, but the fact is, it is earmark of general disagreement with beleif systems.
Although anyone who is suffering from hallucination should be helped, I've never suffered from hallucinations, nor does someone with schizophrenia necisarily suffer from them.
Frankly I'd help the guy out, but if there is a court order in place, then it is a slightly different situation because it is aiding and abetting, but I'd definately try to get more information, on what is going on and try to judge whether the person is being set up or if they honestly need medical help. From personal experience many don't. There is a chronic case of over treatment and overmedication by the medical institution in Canada, that is a fact. When peoples lives are the ones being damaged by forced nonconsensual process that is a huge ethical issue, bearing in mind more and more so cultural divergence is seen as a cause of mental health issues, yet various cultures and subcultures, have cultural "illnesses" that is within their culture it is fine, but another culture looking at it, it could be cause for concern. The system is largely just totalitarian cultural enforcement and repression of indviduality or individual experience, yet we all have creativity and if we are self controlled and not causing harm, why should we be subjected to torture or imprisonment, especially if we are law abiding.
There is no informed consent within the mental health institution in Ontario under the mental health act.
We should not give someone the power to strip fundamental rights of personal protection - ever. |
that just about sums up what i think about this situation. good post. |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
developed a growing case of schizophrenia. - while it is often said that drug use can lead to schizophernia - drug enduced disorganization and schizophrenia are two different things. Also hallucinations etc. can be an after effect of drug use, not necisarily schizo caused by drugs left in the system, such as acid.
If they do a treatment order on the guy he will be druged with psychotropics that will totally mess with his head, and likely cause liver damage - the drugs used by institutions in general are not benificial but incapacitators that disorient and cause long term toxic damage to the body.
Trust me I've been held outside the justice system under the mental health act - under armed gaurd from maplehurst.. while at a hostpital. I was held for over a month, and the charges were dropped after two weeks. I've been able to function in a University setting and have never needed psychiatric drugs to function. However when I was held under the mental health act they force medicated me, at times while strapped to a bed. Yet I've never needed them while on the outside, figure that.
You betrayed a stated mentally unstable person...
essentially he is f*#(ed for the rest of his life. 1. Institutional Treatment order may be "indefinate" esssentially a life sentance - with doctors determining when someone is released, with no set dates. 2. If he ever gets into trouble with the system he can be divirted out of the justice system, essentially not having the right to a regular or fair trial, with no rights of self representation. He is effectively disenfranchised for the rest of his life.
If he gets held under a treatment order and is put on psychotropics that is hell.. no one should be held in captivity on the basis of their lifestyle choices.. the guy could obviously function.
The courts shouldn't be ordering treatments.. prisoners even have the right to refuse treatment it is a fundamnetal right yet under the mental health act essentially people are tortured against their will.
This is truely sad, also the fact he was resisting likely landed him in jail or as a dangerous or violent offender which will only make things more difficult..
everyone knows who NOT to contact now when they need help.
You basically turned the guy in to be tortured for his choice to do drugs. -victim of the underground - victim of the system
Also I woulnd't trust this diagnosis crap.. I've been diagnosed like 5 times.. each diagnosis was different.
At the time of incapacitization I was as stated in court records -"a psychotic delusional schizophrenic" - this because of a court case that ended up being a total farse, with me catching the judge in a lie at sentencing, which caused her to blush and instruct police officers to "spray me" lwtf.
Anyway now it is to the point of "he just doesn't like other people" and you wonder why.. but really that isn't the case either. The whole thing has been political and cultural divergence, I simply don't beleive or support the same things as the archons do so I'm targetted. Because I speak out against the system, the system tries to muffle.
Anyway, I'd be very careful about betraying anyone. Bear in mind there is a drug war ongoing and has been for years now. Note though that many prominent people have done various types of drugs, ranging from acid to cocaine or canabis, and they are successfull people.
Schizophrenia as a neurological illness cause is unknown, but linked to nutrition as well as drug use, which creates psychosis. The things are all independant. Schizo is a lable that can be slapped on people to cause stigma, but the fact is, it is earmark of general disagreement with beleif systems.
Although anyone who is suffering from hallucination should be helped, I've never suffered from hallucinations, nor does someone with schizophrenia necisarily suffer from them.
Frankly I'd help the guy out, but if there is a court order in place, then it is a slightly different situation because it is aiding and abetting, but I'd definately try to get more information, on what is going on and try to judge whether the person is being set up or if they honestly need medical help. From personal experience many don't. There is a chronic case of over treatment and overmedication by the medical institution in Canada, that is a fact. When peoples lives are the ones being damaged by forced nonconsensual process that is a huge ethical issue, bearing in mind more and more so cultural divergence is seen as a cause of mental health issues, yet various cultures and subcultures, have cultural "illnesses" that is within their culture it is fine, but another culture looking at it, it could be cause for concern. The system is largely just totalitarian cultural enforcement and repression of indviduality or individual experience, yet we all have creativity and if we are self controlled and not causing harm, why should we be subjected to torture or imprisonment, especially if we are law abiding.
There is no informed consent within the mental health institution in Ontario under the mental health act.
We should not give someone the power to strip fundamental rights of personal protection - ever. |
however! (if i may interupt) you rock a hulk hogan moustache and have a mullet thus eliminating any credability in your post.
bring on the next crazy |
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| Ania_xox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
however! (if i may interupt) you rock a hulk hogan MOLESTACHE and have a mullet thus eliminating any credibility in your post.
bring on the next crazy |
fixed b/c i wanted to :toocool:
xoxo |
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| Vivid Boy |
why helllllllo my little bukkake queen.
i hope yankee mamaries doesnt get upset im changing topic |
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| dance2dabeat |
| Very sad story indeed....But I have to agree with Laura when she said that it's basically best to leave it as is with what the family wants. My cousin was diagnosed with schizophrenia a few years ago....and b/c he was on comeplete denial of his illness, my family had to get a warrant for his arrest and taken to rehab. It was soo sad and hard for them but it was the only way they were able to get him out of the house and into rehab. |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
why helllllllo my little bukkake queen.
i hope yankee mamaries doesnt get upset im changing topic |
lol no, I said my $.02. ;) |
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| activate |
| quote: | Originally posted by Irishaddict
Do what the family is asking you to do. It sucks for you YES, but overall if he's going to get help he needs to trust his family. They are involving the police obviously because they have exhausted all of their resources. You have every right to give the family a piece of your mind, but honestly in the interests of seeing that dude ever get better, you have to turn the other cheek with respect to telling him who called the cops.
Sorry to hear though, wow, ty day indeed. |
agreed.
sounds like it was for his own good. They're his family if they're going to go to those kind of lengths to try and help him get better then they obviously care |
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| Kamka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
+1
How do you know that the truth being found out later is going to make the situation even more worse?
We know this dude has some mental problems, but we don't know the full extent, as in whether this dude has capability to make rational choices or not.
I may live in an imperfect world, but I don't run away from consequences of my actions, nor do I screw over other people without their consent, no matter how good my intentions are.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, or something like that. |
+1 on that too... from me :) |
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| Kamka |
| quote: | Originally posted by slingshot
If the parents are acting this way after the fact and showing a disgusting lack of flexibility/compassion...chances are good to great that they contributed significantly to the problem in the first place.....wanting your child to stay in prison and in isolation to get over drug addiction? honestly.....that is so harsh, cold, and entirely uncharacteristic of the way parents should act towards their children. The parents are clearly doing what's in THEIR own interests and it's probably what they've being doing their entire life with the kid. |
I have to agree with you on the general assertions you made here :( |
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