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Would the world be better off with out religion? (pg. 4)
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Eco
You're right and I don't know how it works out behind the scenes, nor do I know the cost of running a school. But when Rutgers costs $10,000 and is a relatively good school, especially for a state school, I don't know how the Fordhams or LaSalle's, etc., get off charging $40,000, just doesn't make sense.
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i hear you, but when all private schools (most of which are not for profits) are charging around the same price i have to think it just means that the state is subsidizing your education by about $30,000 a year. you should also realize that state schools have enormous savings by filtering 300-500 students into a single class. most private schools don't do that. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
i hear you, but when all private schools (most of which are not for profits) are charging around the same price i have to think it just means that the state is subsidizing your education by about $30,000 a year. you should also realize that state schools have enormous savings by filtering 300-500 students into a single class. most private schools don't do that. |
Yeah I guess you're right on that one (class-size), that does make a huge dent (15 students per-class vs. 400) in costs of running a school... |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
wrong....a business operates to generate profits. catholic schools (and most other schools), by contrast, can not generate a profit otherwise they would lose their status as organizations not subject to taxation. and all catholic schools are not for profits.
in other words, catholic schools and most other schools, generate enough income to offset expenses, with little money left over. furthermore, any money left over needs to be plowed back into the school, it is not distributed for any other function. there are no business owners, shareholders, etc... |
Look. I was pegged to be a Jesuit. I was invited to be in the OTO and the AMORC. I refused both on moral grounds. I think I know a little bit more about the way the Vatican operates, being a life long Catholic with aspiration to the Knighthood of Malta, than you do. Sorry that might come off as rude and condescending, but it is the truth. I'll be happy to continue this conversation with you, but please PM me because the things I have to say aren't for the masses. I won't go so far as to call them 'unwashed' like so many of my counterparts and contemporaries have done.
I would like to add that I'm less than a year shy of taking a chemistry degree for which I owe international bankers approximately 40-50K US dollars. And that's going to a public school and getting a science education. Most Catholic schools charge half of that for just one year. I've been going to public University for almost six years now however that still doesn't save me from being a slave to the bankers for quite some time until I can repay my debt. |
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| PETRAN |
The concept of "Religion", that is, the irrational(metaphysical) belief to an extraterrestrial presence/superior entity, is probably a mental phenomenon which is hard-wired in the human brain. The new field of "Neurotheology" which uses psychological experiments paired with Imaging techniques, has unvealed that the activity of certain brain areas seems to correlate with "mystical/metaphysical feelings" which seem to give rise to Religion.
The stimulation of these same areas also seem to generate such metaphysical feelings and beliefs. Furthermore, according to some neuropsychological/neuropsychiatric evidence, a substantial portion of epileptic patients reports phenomenal perceptions which resemble mystical experiences, e.g. the presence of an invisible "being" existing within the same room with the epileptic individual. In relation to the imaging data, epileptic patients seem to have over-activity in the same areas (some "association areas" of the temporal and parietal lobes) , which are thought to correlate (from the imaging data) with metaphysical experiences. The current evidence would suggest that "spirituality" is a mental phenomenon which is genetically determined. The evolutionary explanation states that "Religion" has evolved as a trait that inceases the tribe's/group's chances for survival.
All this would imply that even if you ban certain Religions such as Christianity and/or Islam, people would automatically come-up with something else.
I'll add here that Religion in itself is not bad, neither is responsible for all the atrocities which people associate with it. Wars and violence is/are not caused by religion. Humans cause war and violence, religion is just another cover-up for the real-causes. It seems that it works, since many people readily associate the religious cover-up with the "X Atrocity/war/violent-act", and wrongly attribute the cause to the "religious cover-up". Even if religion stopped, chaos would still be around the corner, in similar proportions. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
I think I know a little bit more about the way the Vatican operates, being a life long Catholic with aspiration to the Knighthood of Malta, than you do.
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since you say so, it must be true. |
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| Zild |
| Definitely not, but I was basically raised to be a Jesuit priest. I still might become one. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Definitely not, but I was basically raised to be a Jesuit priest. I still might become one. |
i don't see how that qualifies you as an authority on the financial situation of catholic universities (or any other university for that matter).
I didn't go to a catholic university, however, i did go to a not-for-profit private university and my debt balance makes your look like pennies. your school debt is less than 1/4 of mine. |
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| Zild |
Exactly my point. If I went to a Catholic university I would be in the same situation as you.
And no it doesn't make me an expert, but having gone to catholic school my whole life I know they're not running a charity. The Catholic church is and has always been about money and power. They are one of if not the most powerful political entity on the planet.
I don't think I have to be an expert though to see that education is a business. Public, private, parochial, etc...
It isn't only a business it is propaganda and mind control at the highest level. I'll also add that the Vatican has one of the best intelligence networks in the world. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Exactly my point. If I went to a Catholic university I would be in the same situation as you.
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but i didn't go to a catholic university. i went two private universities and both of those universities are not engaged in a business. the fact that we would be in the same place should tell you that it is not profiting.
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
I don't think I have to be an expert though to see that education is a business. Public, private, parochial, etc...
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ok, i guess you can say that education is a business because they are providing a service. however, tell me how the church is profiting from this business if they operate as not-for-profit? |
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| Zild |
| Universities stimulate the economy. I'm not saying they are for profit, but it has a lot to do with business and the economy in general. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Universities stimulate the economy. I'm not saying they are for profit, but it has a lot to do with business and the economy in general. |
fair enough. i don't disagree with that statement.
i think someone suggested that the catholic church was profiting off of its educational institutions. i simply don't believe that it is monetarily profiting from its colleges. that's how this exchange started. |
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| Zild |
| They profit from investing in corporations that are founded and run mostly by people with a higher education. |
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