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How to innovate trance...? (pg. 5)
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| piku303 |
please delete this post. i fear that forum's contamination from the many trance addict anthem loving emos |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vortex_SA
well i agree with you on the lack of innovation and originality, but the sort of innovation ur looking for is really no that innovant... all the stuff u mentioned have been done... |
In isolated tracks or in other genres maybe, but never a consistent application of all of those ideas in one movement of trance. Just the idea of taking old or under-used ideas and making them with a new generation of technology is innovation in itself. You seem to be suggesting that something is only truly innovative if it has no precedent, but mutations of historical examples, reinterpetations and soo forth are at the heart of most innovation throughout history.
| quote: | | and if it was soooooo easy to compose and create melodies and rhythms and such then we would all be mozarts... i also think innovation should come, but it is coming... tunes that are made today will be played in minimum two months... |
I know people who can. There's just too many talentless bedroom ******s who think that anyone can be a musician, when that simply isn't true. It's a talent, and the best musicians are natural talents. People have been trying for decades to teach perfect pitch, but you're either born with it or you aren't. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I know people who can. There's just too many talentless bedroom ******s who think that anyone can be a musician, when that simply isn't true. It's a talent, and the best musicians are natural talents. People have been trying for decades to teach perfect pitch, but you're either born with it or you aren't. |
Yeah, but its more important what ideas you actually have. The best musicians knows how to express themselves and are able to transform ideas to sound. The best EDM artist are the ones with good ideas and a creative mind.
Like it is now, bedroom producers just copies other peoples ideas, and by copying i mean the WHOLE IDEA.. not just parts of it. |
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| the_gamemaster |
| Imo there have been some awesome tech and progressive trance released recently, from producers like MIKE, Ernesto vs. Bastian, Markus Schulz, Marcel Woods. You just have to look a little further to find amazing tracks these days. |
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| the_gamemaster |
| Imo there have been some awesome tech and progressive trance released recently, from producers like MIKE, Ernesto vs. Bastian, Markus Schulz, Marcel Woods. Yous just have to look a little further to find amazing tracks these days. |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I know people who can. There's just too many talentless bedroom ******s who think that anyone can be a musician, when that simply isn't true. It's a talent, and the best musicians are natural talents. People have been trying for decades to teach perfect pitch, but you're either born with it or you aren't. |
Perfect pitch got nothing to do with being a musician... i know people who has it and people who dont... the only thing it means is that if i played a single note to them they would say the exact note pitch, thats all...
and ofcourse innovation isnt coming from thin air, it comes from what you experianced at the past, the perfect example i can give is that a painter who hasnt seen a naked women in his life wont be able to paint it corrrectly, every painter draws images from his mind, and his mind draws it from his memmory of sight... same goes to musician... its just that i dont think taking old school trance beat and combine it with a new track would be innovative, its recycling... taking, say, funk piano line and combine it will be interesting. but making a melody from a synth that makes sounds similar to a washing machine will be innovative, or making a melody out of a set of percussions (a real set not a sample...)...
innovation also depand on the listener, lets not forget that also... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vortex_SA
Perfect pitch got nothing to do with being a musician... i know people who has it and people who dont... the only thing it means is that if i played a single note to them they would say the exact note pitch, thats all... |
It means someone can play something back just from hearing it. It's a big help when it comes to composing, because you can hear any track and know how it was written.
And I've heard plenty of people say perfect pitch is one of the hallmarks of a naturally talented musician. My old music teacher told me that.
| quote: | ...its just that i dont think taking old school trance beat and combine it with a new track would be innovative, its recycling...
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I seriously don't think you've understood what I'm suggesting. |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It means someone can play something back just from hearing it. It's a big help when it comes to composing, because you can hear any track and know how it was written.
And I've heard plenty of people say perfect pitch is one of the hallmarks of a naturally talented musician. My old music teacher told me that.
I seriously don't think you've understood what I'm suggesting. |
I can play anything just from hearing it, and i don't have perfect pitch and i can also tell you how the track is written, its because i have the musical knowledge and ability to do that, and thats something that comes in time, perfect pitch isn't...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch
that will explain i hope...
and i also don't think i understood what you suggested if you say i didnt... :) |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It means someone can play something back just from hearing it. It's a big help when it comes to composing, because you can hear any track and know how it was written.
And I've heard plenty of people say perfect pitch is one of the hallmarks of a naturally talented musician. My old music teacher told me that.
I seriously don't think you've understood what I'm suggesting. |
With relative pitch u can do the same, you just cant hear what a single note is without a reference point.
There arent many musicians with Perfect Pitch, i know Laurent Veronnez has that.
Its not proven that it cant be learned.
David Lucas Burge wasnt born with perfect pitch, but he found a way for himself to learn it. Atleast he claims so. http://www.perfectpitch.com
Im not saying it works, but ive started on it, and i believe that it can be learned. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vortex_SA
I can play anything just from hearing it, and i don't have perfect pitch and i can also tell you how the track is written, its because i have the musical knowledge and ability to do that, and thats something that comes in time, perfect pitch isn't...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch
that will explain i hope...
and i also don't think i understood what you suggested if you say i didnt... :) |
Yep, if I play a single note for you, then you cant hear which note it is. |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
With relative pitch u can do the same, you just cant hear what a single note is without a reference point.
There arent many musicians with Perfect Pitch, i know Laurent Veronnez has that.
Its not proven that it cant be learned.
David Lucas Burge wasnt born with perfect pitch, but he found a way for himself to learn it. Atleast he claims so. http://www.perfectpitch.com
Im not saying it works, but ive started on it, and i believe that it can be learned. |
i also belive it can be learned, but do you really want to go through all this just to say "hey thats a diminished F# chord you played there!"?
i think that that time should be spent on improving your playing skills or something more useful... people overrate perfect pitch, i happen to know personally some perfect pitchers but it didn't make them any better musicians then the others, the just played more accurately (they knew what needed to be heard more easily), which is also something you develope after a while as a player... |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Yep, if I play a single note for you, then you cant hear which note it is. |
that is correct, i wont be able to tell you the pitch, but i will be able to find it on my keyboard/guitar in a matter of seconds... thats called relative pitch... you will play a note and i will listen and play a note which seems close to the one you played and by noticing the relativity between the two notes ill be able to play your note...
and thats something you acquire through being a musician/player. |
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