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How to innovate trance...? (pg. 6)
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vortex_SA
i also belive it can be learned, but do you really want to go through all this just to say "hey thats a diminished F# chord you played there!"?
i think that that time should be spent on improving your playing skills or something more useful... people overrate perfect pitch, i happen to know personally some perfect pitchers but it didn't make them any better musicians then the others, the just played more accurately (they knew what needed to be heard more easily), which is also something you develope after a while as a player... |
Thats perfectly true.
The good thing though, with Perfect Pitch, is that I think it makes you enjoy music more. A perfect pitcher cant reply to that though, cause he has always had it. I think relative pitch is equally important though, and its not something u get by having perfect pitch. |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Thats perfectly true.
The good thing though, with Perfect Pitch, is that I think it makes you enjoy music more. A perfect pitcher cant reply to that though, cause he has always had it. I think relative pitch is equally important though, and its not something u get by having perfect pitch. |
i personally think they are just like you and i... the fact that i can tell that the 2nd gear in my car is not quite as lubed as it should wont make me enjoy the ride any more then usual... |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vortex_SA
I can play anything just from hearing it, and i don't have perfect pitch and i can also tell you how the track is written, its because i have the musical knowledge and ability to do that, and thats something that comes in time, perfect pitch isn't... |
I'm speaking from the experience of one friend I have who has perfect pitch and no formal musical training at all, yet he can play back anything I've ever seen him listen to, including stuff by composers.
I don't think you can discount the benefit of being able to do that without any formal musical education as unrelated to being a musician. |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm speaking from the experience of one friend I have who has perfect pitch and no formal musical training at all, yet he can play back anything I've ever seen him listen to, including stuff by composers.
I don't think you can discount the benefit of being able to do that without any formal musical education as unrelated to being a musician. |
it certainly has it benefits, but being a musician is being a musician, and being a playback guy is being a playback guy... its a big difference, nonetheless i do know the benefits from that, and i think anyone who has it should be grateful for that, but from being with perfect pitch to being a musician theres a long long path, thats my point... |
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| piku303 |
| perfect pitch does not offer an advantage for producers/composers. for peformers it does. music isnt about identifying a note and whether or not notes are sharp or flat according to A 440, its about the relationship between two notes. relative pitch is extremely useful though. |
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| Dj EntycE |
In my opinion, the number of kids producing Trance nowadays has increased to a point where basic music skill isn't required at all to make a track that's considered decent.
People just produce whatever they feel like hearing but at the end, you can clearly make the difference between a song composed by someone with musical intellect and someone who doesn't (doesn't make a the musical intellect's track better - eg. Armin - but the producing quality is) |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by CSB
ugh....vibrasphere is good....but it never has liek a climax or anything in the songs....or at least from what i have listened to....it sounds amazing, but ust never finishes off. It would be like having the best sex of your life, but right as your about to finsih she just stosp and runs away. |
yeah that's pretty much tantric sex.
think about what a better orgasm it would be if every time you felt it were about to come you denied it and kept building.
too many people blowing their load too early in dance music IMO
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm speaking from the experience of one friend I have who has perfect pitch and no formal musical training at all, yet he can play back anything I've ever seen him listen to, including stuff by composers.
I don't think you can discount the benefit of being able to do that without any formal musical education as unrelated to being a musician. |
perfect pitch is great when performing/improvising. I'm sure it would make composing easy too. But having a lot of time in the studio and practicing relative pitch can make the difference negligible in the end.
I think it's the imagination that is the most important part... the creative intuition. Someone with perfect pitch will always keep it just as a parlor trick unless he has a productive and wild imagination. That doesn't even take into account technical mastery, which isn't as important obviously, but still does matter.
It's like this - imagine that someone has perfect eyesight and someone is nearsighted.
The nearsighted person might not be able to read a sign without getting close. The perfect eyesight person can easily see the sign, but unless he knows what the words actually mean it will be useless to him. |
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| Ian |
some very good albums there :) I think the previous Human Blue one was better however, back in 2006, this one has only one memorable track for me. Add to these, the J00F/DFigital Blonde album on the euphoria mix 3rd cd. |
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| Subtle |
Psy Trance Euphoria - John 00 Fleming
02. Out of the Loop - Strangest Night and Still
Thats cool stuff. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vortex_SA
it certainly has it benefits, but being a musician is being a musician, and being a playback guy is being a playback guy... its a big difference, nonetheless i do know the benefits from that, and i think anyone who has it should be grateful for that, but from being with perfect pitch to being a musician theres a long long path, thats my point... |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
perfect pitch is great when performing/improvising. I'm sure it would make composing easy too. But having a lot of time in the studio and practicing relative pitch can make the difference negligible in the end.
I think it's the imagination that is the most important part... the creative intuition. Someone with perfect pitch will always keep it just as a parlor trick unless he has a productive and wild imagination. That doesn't even take into account technical mastery, which isn't as important obviously, but still does matter.
It's like this - imagine that someone has perfect eyesight and someone is nearsighted.
The nearsighted person might not be able to read a sign without getting close. The perfect eyesight person can easily see the sign, but unless he knows what the words actually mean it will be useless to him. |
I think it should be pointed out at this juncture that perfect pitch was not the entirety of my reasoning behind music being a natural talent...
There are only two academic fields that have genuine child prodigies: children who can perform at the same level as a thoroughly educated adult. One is mathematics, the other is music. Some people would argue that the two are closely related. |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I think it should be pointed out at this juncture that perfect pitch was not the entirety of my reasoning behind music being a natural talent...
There are only two academic fields that have genuine child prodigies: children who can perform at the same level as a thoroughly educated adult. One is mathematics, the other is music. Some people would argue that the two are closely related. |
Im sorry but i just dont belive in something being "born with" i think anybody who wishes can learn everything...
and music espacially today involves lots of math, beside math like in bach's compositions etc. you have now all the producing math and synth math... |
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| lindt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
some very good albums there :) I think the previous Human Blue one was better however, back in 2006, this one has only one memorable track for me. Add to these, the J00F/DFigital Blonde album on the euphoria mix 3rd cd. |
Agree with both points. I totally forgot about the Heaven & Hell album which is great! |
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