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So now Toronto's brilliant mayor wants to tear down the Gardiner (pg. 5)
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| smuncky |
| judging by the posts here, the taking down of this part of the gardiner will cause traffic armageddon in the city of toronto and surrounding areas. may god have mercy on us all. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
judging by the posts here, the taking down of this part of the gardiner will cause traffic armageddon in the city of toronto and surrounding areas. may god have mercy on us all. |
I detect a note of sarcasm. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
judging by the posts here, the taking down of this part of the gardiner will cause traffic armageddon in the city of toronto and surrounding areas. may god have mercy on us all. |
if you drive a car you would know that the smallest thing can create chaos on a highway and spill in residential streets. Things have to be studied by traffic engineers and not architects. |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
if you drive a car you would know that the smallest thing can create chaos on a highway and spill in residential streets. Things have to be studied by traffic engineers and not architects. |
that's what the EA is for. plus i don't think anyone has mentioned that it should be done by architects. i'm not sure where you got that from. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
DVP --> Jarvis. During morning traffic or evening. |
I've been on that stretch on Saturday nights and it certainly wasn't empty then.
I think it looks empty because it's just after a choke point. Both the Gardiner and the DVP effectively end there. It's similar to what you see when any 1-lane road widens into 2 lanes - for a while it feels empty because of the way traffic disperses.
This is a natural consequence of any geography that's not a grid or tree. In fact, they took advantage of this when building the Bayview extension; since there generally aren't many cars left on it by the time you get past River St, they only built one lane. Of course, years later, that lane can get pretty slow at certain times of day, and it would still cause a lot of problems if they just tore down that last stretch.
Traffic systems are networks and are subject to all of the inherent problems of networks. It's very dangerous to draw any conclusions from a single stretch working in isolation.
(Actually, traffic systems are slightly different from than normal networks in the sense that you don't get to choose the routes, the drivers choose their own... but that makes the problem worse, not better) |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
that's what the EA is for. plus i don't think anyone has mentioned that it should be done by architects. i'm not sure where you got that from. |
whats an EA? |
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| zoogla |
| I think that stretch is empty simply because of all the other entry points on the DVP (from Adelaide, Gerrard, there are a few from the east side in that area), and from lakeshore travelling westbound, how it starts the Gardiner from the east side. There are so many ways to get on and around in that pocket (Gardiner stretch from DVP to Jarvis) that closing off that on-ramp from the DVP will not cause as much chaos as it's being expressed here. Take it from someone who takes that route during morning/evening rush hour at least twice a week. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
whats an EA? |
Environmental Assessment |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by loca
I think the idea is ridiculous. Pushing all the traffic onto University is going to be absolutely insane. I honestly shudder when I think about the time we're going to spend in traffic jams.
On the whole new transit thing deal... jesus christ. I don't know if some of you realize that not everyone lives downtown. Some of us have to commute from YRT to TTC and now you would add a third one?! It would most likely cost me more to take the public transit than to drive my car in the end :nervous: |
this has nothing to do with living downtown...i live in maple and commute into the beaches area every day....i either take the 404 Or the 401 to 427 to gardner..depending on my mood..so i KNOW about traffic on our highways..
this is about revitalization..we talk about being world class...unforutanately, our waterfront being in the condition it is in..we are falling a little short of this mark..
they are not proposing to tear down the whole highway..it is a section from jarvis to the dvp that is ALWAYS empty..i travel on it at least three time a week...will it create some problems?..potentially..but it will not be chaos as some on here are predicting.. |
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| Jayx1 |
| The CN Tower is aging and looking a bit ugly. Apparently it affects bird migration. I think it may be time to tear it town. Agreed? |
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| Jayx1 |
| The CN Tower is aging and looking a bit ugly. Apparently it affects bird migration. I think it may be time to tear it town. Agreed? |
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| Jayx1 |
| The CN Tower is aging and looking a bit ugly. Apparently it affects bird migration. I think it may be time to tear it town. Agreed? |
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