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Circa Ballroom closed down? (pg. 5)
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| barbina |
| quote: | Originally posted by Big Boss
A busy room doesn't always equate barsales. Geez, read activate's post again to understand this concept.
Why do you think the cover for DJ driven gay special events is higher than for straight ones? It's because gay people don't drink as much. I go to a lot of gay events (as a straight guy) and I often see people paying their cover, maybe having a drink or 2, popping a pill, buying a bottle of water and constantly refilling it at the bathroom. |
you cant generalize that gay people dont drink as much as straight people. thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. and saying that they do more drugs? look at the guv. thats straight. people do a hell of a lot of drugs there and their bar sales in certain rooms suck. clubs like fly, buddies and straight are obviously doing well at the bar with a 90% gay crowd. :rolleyes: |
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| Big Boss |
| quote: | Originally posted by barbina
you cant generalize that gay people dont drink as much as straight people. thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. and saying that they do more drugs? look at the guv. thats straight. people do a hell of a lot of drugs there and their bar sales in certain rooms suck. clubs like fly, buddies and straight are obviously doing well at the bar with a 90% gay crowd. :rolleyes: |
Do you work in the club industry? Aren't you some 20 year clubbing newbie?
I am the most open minded straight person there is, so don't say I am generalizing.
The fact CiRCA is changing their format is because of bar sales, not this anti gay stuff you clueless people are spouting. The bar sales in the mirror ballroom on Saturdays are ing retardo. Guess what the music format is btw. Maybe they want some of that on Fridays.
If the gays were drinking like crazy, they wouldn't change the format. For the reasons I have previously mentioned, the gays don't drink as much.
Where there is a lot of other stuff than drinking going on, the barsales tend to be lower. You pointed out yourself with the Guvernment example. |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by barbina
edit. im not saying you're wrong either.
I just don't get how its a money issue when that bar and room is always rammed. Every friday the "gay room" is easily more consistent with people at the bar/filling the room then say the washroom bar or cinema room. Of all rooms to change.. bleh. |
I have been saying how much I loved the Ballroom on Fridays as it was a great vibe (in the same vane as industry where gays, str8's and everyone in between were comfortable) so when I started to hear about this I was pissed.
However, it was not packed every Friday as you say. I have been there on Saturdays when they had Randomland in the Sky Cinema lounge since there wasn't enough people. We had the chance to bring that back and we didn't support it enough.
| quote: | Originally posted by barbina
you cant generalize that gay people dont drink as much as straight people. thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. and saying that they do more drugs? look at the guv. thats straight. people do a hell of a lot of drugs there and their bar sales in certain rooms suck. clubs like fly, buddies and straight are obviously doing well at the bar with a 90% gay crowd. :rolleyes: |
As someone who has been in both scenes for many years I do think you can generalize that gays don't drink as much as straight people. You can not compare Buddies, Straight, Woody's, Fuzion to Circa, Guv, or Fly...they simply are not the same.
They gay community has had a serious problem supporting a big night of Fridays for the last number of years. They are happy with getting the same recycled circuit party bull at Fly every Saturday. That's why we've basically had the exact same DJ's at the same Pride parties for the last 4 years...its really sad that we don't demand more from the gay promoters like Gairy Brown and the Pride committee. When my friend was helping organize the Pride parties the last few years (not involved this year) he would ask about bringing new people in (Lawler, Calderone, etc,) and would always get shot down by DB.
We had the chance to bring something new to the scene and force clubs like Fly to change (if more people went and supported Circa on Fridays and spent this disposable income there instead of Fly on Saturday) but as usual we (the gay communitee) choose to keep the same recycled bull. |
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| barbina |
| quote: | Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT
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I get what you're saying and I total agree with the pride and fly .. I hate fly, same thing every weekend, same people etc.. Supposedly the cinema room is now going to be the new house room .. which should be a hiphop room if anything. I don't get how you can't compare a gay club to a gay room which is basically the same crowd either way. When circa opened all of my friends stopped going to fly and went, and drank, at circa instead. The crowd at fly is SO much sketchier than the one in circas mirror ballroom.
Whatever.. no matter what the room is changing. |
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| kotsy |
| This reminds me of thread about The Gallery switching formats |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by kotsy
This reminds me of thread about The Gallery switching formats |
Really??? I don't see the connection. |
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| ExtremeWays |
Actually, gay men drink more than straight men. They (we) also smoke more, do more drugs, and sleep around more. Just about every study in recent history proves this. It's not a good thing, but it's a fact.
And Activate, I don't disagree that a club can change its format in any way it wants to improve its business (though I disagree that it will work out that way.) But when they eliminate a gay-oriented room from the club right after the single biggest gay party weekend of the year, that's hypocrisy.
That being said, I'll probably be there anyway 'cuze that's where the party's at! |
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| kotsy |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Really??? I don't see the connection. |
I mean the bickering :p |
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| The Highroller |
| I find it very hard to believe that a club like Circa, who has invested a lot of money in the club, would stop a successful night for any other reason than unsuccessful bar sales. |
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| rabbitjoker |
The room was shut down because it didn't make business sense.
Circa is not a charity and can and should make business decisions in the best interest of the organization.
If a night is important to a community - then it is up to them to support it with their dollars.
EOD. |
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| rabbitjoker |
That said - the Mirror Ballroom was a great party venue and I will miss it. Tom Stephan was great as was Doman & Pettigrew.
Hopefully it won't be a hip hop room on special nights as the room was one of the most enjoyable to spend time in (couches, vibe, etc). |
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| kaniz |
| quote: | Originally posted by barbina
you cant generalize that gay people dont drink as much as straight people. thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. and saying that they do more drugs? look at the guv. thats straight. people do a hell of a lot of drugs there and their bar sales in certain rooms suck. clubs like fly, buddies and straight are obviously doing well at the bar with a 90% gay crowd. :rolleyes: |
... have you umm, ever been to fly?
The place is pretty much empty before midnight/1am - and usually isnt 'packed' until after last-call. I'm sure thats just doing WONDERS for bar sales. really.
Buddies and Straight are not the same types of clubs that Fly is. |
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