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Too Much Techno, Tech House and Minimal? (pg. 15)
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| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
Pardon my ignorance but in my world chicago house has always been Funky, groovy, vocal house...if you look at how and when chicago house originated..there was nothing techy, trancy, minimal about it..
Mark Farina has always played a groovy and funky house set...at least the 8 times I have seen him.:) the same goes for.....Larry Heard..Marshall Jefferson...DJ Sneak..Derrick Carter...Frankie Knuckles....etc..etc.. |
ha ha - ok consider yourself pardoned - forgive the history lesson, but its required to understand house and techno:
as you know, chicago is where house started, and from the beginning it never referred to a type of music at all, but rather a vibe, and also a place where you could hear this music - The Warehouse. Knuckles played everything and anything there, including just bizarre sound effects records.
Between him and Ron Hardy was where house music was born. Hardy played everything very very fast - usually +8 on the table - and always opened with "welcome to the pleasure dome", which if you know it, you'll know its techno as much as anything. mostly he played euro stuff and would go to the trouble of playing an 808 drum machine under it just to bang it out harder.
on wbmx, you'd have hot mix shows that would literally have every kind of music on it - live mixes from great chicago djs.... oh, and the star mixer on that show was jeff mills.
techno owes pretty much its entire existence to 'chicago' house because juan atkins, derrick may, and saunderson, would literally drive every weekend from detroit to chicago to hear hardy play. after a while of this, they'd make some tunes, and give them to hardy to play, to see how they went down. so if hardy was playing house, he was playing techno, because he was constantly playing their tunes.
look at the release on the pioneering Trax label. half of them are called techno, tho the distinction is really irrelevant.
well all that was the first wave of house, the second coming with derrick carter and green velvet. derrick would go to hear ron hardy too, and would take away what he learned there to go make his own tunes. the second coming of chicago house was kick started through green velvet's Relief records, where many of those tracks you're referring to(sneak, etc.) were released. but, that label too is mostly techno.
part of the charm of chicago djs is that the real ones WILL play anything. disco, folk, prince, u2, whatever - i've heard derrick just stop playing house and drop an hour of hip hop, mark too, many times. if you're heard derrick spin recently, you'll know he can get very techy, but also deep. that's what's good about it.
farina has carved out his own niche, as he lives on the west coast, where its more natural to embody a lighter, jazzier take on things, but he'll play weird, unexpected stuff too.
the great thing about chicago house is that you should expect the unexpected.
come on by to the heather party and you'll hear what i mean. |
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| gummybear |
i guess what i'm sayin is the average party goer equates a certain sound with certain dj's...it's just the way it is..
i totally agree with you about DM...i've seen him spin the last three times he was in toronto..at 99 sudbury he mixed that up..out of this world..disco, house, techno..tribal..he even had some trancy tunes up in there..but he is Derek in May!..he is technically perfect and can spin a set comprised of those genres and make it flow line no other..and it was 99 sudbury..a seasoned crowd IMO that can appreciate what he was doin....then again, the last time he played at footwork..yes, i was lookin forward to the same type of set but he kept it very minimal...and i was super disappointed...:( possibly cuz he knew what type of crowd he was playin for...
so, i now totally understand ur concept of dj's taking risks..it can pay off....but not everyone dj can be like the man Derek May:) |
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| kaniz |
| That night at Sud'99 kicked ass - feels like we haven't hard a party like that in ages. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
i guess what i'm sayin is the average party goer equates a certain sound with certain dj's...it's just the way it is..
i totally agree with you about DM...i've seen him spin the last three times he was in toronto..at 99 sudbury he mixed that up..out of this world..disco, house, techno..tribal..he even had some trancy tunes up in there..but he is Derek in May!..he is technically perfect and can spin a set comprised of those genres and make it flow line no other..and it was 99 sudbury..a seasoned crowd IMO that can appreciate what he was doin....then again, the last time he played at footwork..yes, i was lookin forward to the same type of set but he kept it very minimal...and i was super disappointed...:( possibly cuz he knew what type of crowd he was playin for...
so, i now totally understand ur concept of dj's taking risks..it can pay off....but not everyone dj can be like the man Derek May:) |
nope nope agreed, to pull that off you really have to know your records and be able to program things thinking 4 or 5 tunes ahead constantly, and of course actually be able to mix it mechanically speaking. and keep an open mind.
nowadays i guess things are a lot more segmented and people do indeed think in narrower terms, esp. when it comes to electronic music.
anyway tho come to the heather party - nick holder's opening, and he's made every kind of house under the sun along with really good hip hop. i'm on after him(before heather) and i guarantee you i'll play some hip hop and whatever else comes to mind. should be a good night, musically. |
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| VDub |
You'll play hip hop???
How do I get on the list???????
:whip: :whip: :whip: |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
You'll play hip hop???
How do I get on the list???????
:whip: :whip: :whip: |
i'm first!:mad: |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
i'm first!:mad: |
Ok so VDub + 1
Can you start a roll call pls???? |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Ok so VDub + 1
Can you start a roll call pls???? |
ya right..i start no such things..:) |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by junkie_vince
This really goes for every type/genre of electronic music not just techno. Most ppl only go to see the names they know & trust. |
Sure, but the range of names that are known and trusted by a large enough number of people to pull off a solid party is bigger for, say, house than it is for techno...in Toronto anyways. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by -g-
i guarantee you i'll play some hip hop and whatever else comes to mind. should be a good night, musically. |
Wewt! I'm in. :D |
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| -g- |
ha ha - ok anyone who'd like it, just remind me later, closer to the party date and i'll sort out something for you for you list.
i don't actually visit this board very much, but you can email me here:
mikegleeson[email protected]
obviously remove the part |
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