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DJ vs. DJ/Producer (pg. 2)
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| diggerz |
I ing love RJT (the dj, not the producer) :p
In reality, everyone has a different way of approaching music making or music involvement for that matter. Some might have gotten into making music by accident and I hope I don't sound redundant by saying this but, in my opinion, the best music out there grows organically from scratch over the months and years.
In addition, those 'noises' or 'patterns' you've made should be kept, there are no accidents in music. (not referring to accidentals in music theory, stupid ****s)
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| adi_hanson |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
I guess it's just unfortunate that so many people seem to buy the fallacy that talent in one area will necessarily translate to the other. |
Maybe not , dont you sometimes wish that you could see everyone grooving to music you made? |
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| wotyzoid |
People with multiple talents are just more appreciated than people with a single talent. Now if it's mediocre or not that's a matter of opinion most of the time.
THEN AGAIN, you take guys like Burridge, Howells, Digweed, Pappa who rarely ever produce and they are the guys to beat on the decks. So I guess it must be a matter of how many contacts you have, and your charisma. |
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| denys envy |
of course this is all in the assumption that DJ RJT is a good DJ...
just kidding buddy.
anyway, wanted to bring up the fact that a lot of times, especially true out here in baltimore, nice lounges that have smaller capacity will keep resident DJs that don't necessarily produce their own music. I mean sure they dabble here and there, much like myself, but nothing substantial on beatport or crap like that.
one of the main reasons i've made the switch from progressive, and in turn more "club", house or music - and went over to the more soulful and deep house side is because 80% of my gigs have come at small, lounge/ultralounge/bar with an outdoor patio venues since they can't afford, and don't really want to, bring in name-recognized artists.
i have my own local supporters, that like what i play, and will show up randomly on the weekend to check out one of my gigs. i also have a group of friends that appreciate what i play and come out to check me out - much like i support my own friends that are DJs.
conclusion - i think you're limiting the whole DJ experience to the big venues and clubs, when it couldn't be farther from reality. there are a lot of ... "niches" to be found and filled by different types of DJs. if you want to sell out venues of 2,000+ or whatever, then yes - you should probably produce music.
^disregard all that, i think i'm a bit off point and really rambled. it's that kind of day (mid-work-week). |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by adi_hanson
Maybe not , dont you sometimes wish that you could see everyone grooving to music you made? |
I kind of feel like I already get to experience that as a DJ. It's why I play the kinds of records I do, because I do feel like I'm interacting with the crowd in a meaningful way.
To me, while a good DJ isn't creating or composing new music - what they can do with preexisting tracks is many times far more interesting than half the tracks produced and released these days.
| quote: | Originally posted by diggerz
I ing love RJT (the dj, not the producer) :p
In reality, everyone has a different way of approaching music making or music involvement for that matter. While some might have gotten into making music by accident and I hope I don't sound redundant by saying this, but the best music out there in my opinion, is that which grows organically. Those 'noises' or 'patterns' you've made should be kept, because there are no accidents in music. (not accidents in music theory, stupid ****s)
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<3 you too Enrique :p
And yeah - what you've said above is probably the best way of stating my own opinion on it. |
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| shonguiz |
| Personnaly i don't have a problem with someone that only dj, producing only for the sake of producing is in most cases a bad thing, that being said a good dj that also produces good will always have more merit that a good exclusive dj and that's fair i think. |
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| diggerz |
| I don't think you completely grasped RJT's vision of music making philosophy :wtf: |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Isn't that the question I'm asking though? Or rather, why there isn't any value in that anymore beyond the question of finance?
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I'd say I'm quite used to it at this point, but that certainly doesn't mean I also won't question the trend.
I go to concerts to hear people play their own music, I go to nightclubs to hear a variety of electronic music. Not saying that's how it is for anyone else, and it's clearly not what happens. |
because any kid with a credit card can buy tracks from Beatport and become a "DJ" There's too many bedroom DJ's in Clubland all claiming to be the next Tiesto. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by denys envy
conclusion - i think you're limiting the whole DJ experience to the big venues and clubs, when it couldn't be farther from reality. there are a lot of ... "niches" to be found and filled by different types of DJs. if you want to sell out venues of 2,000+ or whatever, then yes - you should probably produce music.
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To be honest, those are the gigs I actually pursue much, much harder. I haven't even tried to find bookings with Vision, Smartbar, etc. in Chicago at this point just because I don't care enough about being out at them to warrant expecting the bookings I used to get.
I don't know - I guess this really wasn't so much about me not having gigs as it was about the general trend towards favoring DJ/producers as opposed to DJ's, the only reason I added my own experience is because that's what spurned the thread. |
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| david.michael |
| I guess I envy you for being able to have conversations with that many people that even understand the difference between the two. |
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| woscar99 |
Also, the scene is filling up more and more with pricks with no talent that couldn't play a decent set to save their lives (yes Mr. Durand, this means YOU!). Pricks whose only chance to get a gig is either to:
produce a track that resembles whatever the kids are eating up, make it big with that and then DJ to brain-dead audiences who will jizz over any piece of crap.
or
Be best friends with Armin.
/rant |
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| DOOMBOT |
| I'm glad that producer/dj's have gotten popular. It gives a lot more variety to the music being played out. These guys are going to end up playing tracks that they are working on or have just finished, which means you won't be getting that from anyone who just djs. |
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