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Palin’s 17-Year-Old Daughter is Pregnant & Getting Married (pg. 3)
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| LittleGoku |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Obama isn't campaigning as a values candidate, and I've read several retractions on the issue of Bristol's alleged first pregnancy. |
I haven't seen a retraction from DailyKos and that's the one that matters. |
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| LittleGoku |
Obama just released this statement:
"If anyone on my campaign is spreading this issue, they will be fired.” |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by LittleGoku
I haven't seen a retraction from DailyKos and that's the one that matters. |
It was never posted by any of their administrators - it was a user journal. That's just a freedom of speech issue - anyone is allowed to post whatever they want as a user diary. |
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| LittleGoku |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
It was never posted by any of their administrators - it was a user journal. That's just a freedom of speech issue - anyone is allowed to post whatever they want as a user diary. |
Again, you fail to see the real point behind this. Understandable, though.
Democratic underground (another free speech forum, i.e. mothership of liberal bloggers) deleted threads related to that issue and many members were condemning any discussion of that topic without compelling evidence. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by LittleGoku
Again, you fail to see the real point behind this. Understandable, though.
Democratic underground (another free speech forum) deleted threads related to that issue and many members were condemning any discussion of that topic without compelling evidence. |
Forums are different - those are moderated. DailyKos offers bandwidth for political diaries - more like LiveJournal than anything else. Your issue is with one individual user, not the website. A user, moreover, who hasn't posted since yesterday. |
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| LittleGoku |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Forums are different - those are moderated. DailyKos offers bandwidth for political diaries - more like LiveJournal than anything else. Your issue is with one individual user, not the website. A user, moreover, who hasn't posted since yesterday. |
i.e. you expect the user to come forward and state that he was wrong? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by LittleGoku
i.e. you expect the user to come forward and state that he was wrong? |
i.e. it's up to that individual, and really doesn't matter what they decide to do after presented with the fact that he or she was probably wrong.
But to somehow insinuate that one individual's diary is one and the same with a website host or an entire political party is kind of crazy. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
are you asking to get inside the head of a seventeen year old girl you've never met before? or just seventeen year old girls in general?
because i'll warn you it's a futile exercise either way. |
Precisely my point.
| quote: | | there could have been a dozen reasons why this girl got preggers and you could disect those reasons pschologically all day but in the end, the most important reason why she got preggers was not because of or in spite of her religious values, it's because she's human. a human 17 year old female. she's human above everything else and even a devout Christian is humbled by that fact. |
Agreed, but a devout Christian is supposed to follow rules and guidelines that transcend this world and our culture's morals. They are many decent guidelines of Christianity, to be certain. But the contradiction of how those guidelines seemingly get followed at times while wholly ignored at other times never continues to amaze me. Of course she's 17, and the mind of a 17 year old has yet to mature to understand the depth of so many consequences of their actions (right, Latin?). With all that said, the simple fact remains that the Palin family appears to adhere strongly to those fundamentalist Religious Right/Social Conservative values of abstinence-only before marriage, yet here we have a slight contradiction of that philosophy landing right into their laps.
Finally, one last thing needs to be said - personally I'm glad she's keeping it. To me the choice of abortion has always been a bit of a fence-sitting issue primarily because I continue to see well-reasoned arguments on both sides. The slightly conservative part in me still pulls more over to the pro-life side if I had to make a decision one way or the other, because the option of adoption still outweighs the option of ending a human life (or at least how one chooses to define when a "life" begins, eventually it does become one). And if two people have consentual sex, then they must bear the full responsibilities of what that choice might possibly bring, i.e a new little critter to the world. There is a great deal of education that remains untold in one form or another about the possible gigantic burden and responsibility such consequences of sex bear. But I still do not feel that's a reasonable enough excuse to allow an abortion of a "life"/fetus/whatever-the--you-want-to-call-it, simply because that couple either was not fully aware of or were too ing ignorant enough to understand the consequences of their actions, ESPECIALLY without the all-likelihood possibility of their failure for contraceptive measures. That's simply not a good enough excuse for me for two consenting individuals (notice I'm not including rape victims in here) to decide the consequences of their actions AFTER the fact of conception is just too much for them to accept.
On the flip-side of that coin, however, I think much is left to be desired on how our society, especially those ardent hard-core pro-lifers, demonstrate such fervor for caring for a life AFTER they are born in the same passionate manner they throw their efforts for saving a life BEFORE it is born, but I'll save that argument for another day (I think I've made this point before anyway). |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Obama isn't campaigning as a values candidate, and I've read several retractions on the issue of Bristol's alleged first pregnancy. |
From Kos himself, as it seems:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/...0367/584/582167 |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
But to somehow insinuate that one individual's diary is one and the same with a website host or an entire political party is kind of crazy. |
Yep. Ask Bill O'Liely that too. |
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| LittleGoku |
Good stuff. Thanks for the link. |
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