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Are there many talented trance producers about these days ? (pg. 3)
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by zodiac9
Trance doesn't attract a lot of talented musicians/composers nowadays, because there's no real payoff. No monetary payoff that is, for producing. If you DJ you can make some money, but I think most musicians would rather play an instrument when they play live. To get talented musicians/composers to dedicate themselves to a style of music, there has to be a payoff, otherwise it's not worth it. Talent these days is going to pop, Indie rock, hip hop, and country. I still run across progressive house and trance tunes that impress me. I sometimes wonder if these are professional musicians doing EDM on the side. |
Now thats a good point, I come from a traditional music background, and one of the main problems I find with EDM is that its hard to pla live. You can't coordinate 30 channels yourself, you can't rely on somone else to do it for you. So perhaps the inability to play live could be sapping SOME talent from the pool of EDM producers?
Otherwise I disagree with you Jimbob, I think theres as much talent in EDM as there is in any genre, and just as many versatile musicians. A lot of the best ones can play one or more instruments, most of the good ones can write most styles. |
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| sylenth |
i agree with the older stuff sounding mind blowingly ahead of it's time & they always impress... as for creating a good groovy banging track you dont need to have a very well thought of melody as long as all the other elements are right you can have many people loving it. the trance label silicon records has basic synth melody sounds yet they work da bomb.
i commented on a thread regarding dj's being up their own ass a while ago & might of given the wrong impression to the forum users here, but these guys have moved on & they were the masters of the time & we can now just learn from their new sounding effects they using for their new style & make the best of what we have from the past tracks & stick to sifting through the heaps for new ideas...
the industry has gotten alot more diverse now & there is alot of change so i agree with the above post regarding incorporating what you would do in your dj sets to make your tracks as interesting as possible. |
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| djandymac |
| it is true that everything is more easier accessible these days, but u cant blame young amatures for gettin excited cos they also have a chance to make their own music. tunes are easier to make these days with any amount of presets and construction kits etc. i think it allows people with out a massive amount of knowledge in the field the chance to get their ideas out. |
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| Jimb0b |
Thats the thing though, there are SO many preset and SO many constuction kits, you could get my gran to sit at a computer, throw a few loops together, a few preset sounds and then call her a trance producer, whereas all she's really done is nothing more than piece a few things together.
Im all for people being able to get into the creation on music, what im against is the fact that so much of the amature stuff gets into the public domain and cited as a professional release.
Places like here, it's fine I think because people are sharing idea's and improving thier skill's to get themselves upto standard. I just think some people have a different perspective on what they consider to be worthy of being in the public doman and what isnt.
For example, if I go to a shop to buy some vinyl I want it to sound like at least some passion has gone into it, not like someone has just thrown a selection of loops together, which more & more often these days, I feel like im auditioning amature material rather than something that has had some time and effort put into it. |
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| sylenth |
| yeah personal standards is what i know most of us are looking for & we are quality sluts. so these guys coming along just trying to make it big by throwing what ever together & out there, really do get to me too. i'm all fine with people managing to pull off cool sounds from presets, but there is alot of crap out there nowadays & there is no quality control. it seems greed, hope & money is a big factor that is being used now by many in this industry. kind of makes sense why mosrt releases went the digital only route, cos the promotion company has'nt much good taste & clue to what's good & they were losing cash from the costs of vinyl printing with no sales. |
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| -FSP- |
If you don't like the new labels, the tried and true labels always bring the hot stuff.
Also, if you do the math let's say there were 10/1000 good trance tracks on average from say oh 1994-2001. The new wave of trance producers increased the number of songs, so there would be 100/10000 good songs. more bad songs is true but more good songs is also true because of the math. |
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| Jimb0b |
| quote: | Originally posted by -FSP-
If you don't like the new labels, the tried and true labels always bring the hot stuff.
Also, if you do the math let's say there were 10/1000 good trance tracks on average from say oh 1994-2001. The new wave of trance producers increased the number of songs, so there would be 100/10000 good songs. more bad songs is true but more good songs is also true because of the math. |
That may be true, but it means you have 10 times more tracks to search through, so say for example in the past there where 50 trance tracks released in a month, you have 50 tracks to search through to find the ones you like, whereas in comparison you would now have to search through 500 each month which some people just dont have the time to do. |
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| G-Con |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
In traditional music, its the "composers" who get the recognition, where in EDM is the DJ's, not the composers, who get the recognition by the public. Nowhere else in music is that the case.
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Not really true this. In pop music, the majority of pop songs are written and composed by someone behind the scenes for the singer to take all the credit. Take Kylie Minogue or Madonna. They just sing and perform the writers song. But it is assumed that the songs are their songs. You could say that the Tiesto's and the Sashas are the Kylies and Madonnas of EDM :p
I don't believe it is at all necessary to be able to play an instrument to make a good dance track though I agree that in TRANCE, it will certainly help in composing an excellent melody. But in other genres of dance such as house and techno, there is often no melody of any sort. In this instance, an ability to play an instrument aint gonna help much. |
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| Eric J |
| quote: | Originally posted by G-Con
Not really true this. In pop music, the majority of pop songs are written and composed by someone behind the scenes for the singer to take all the credit. Take Kylie Minogue or Madonna. They just sing and perform the writers song. But it is assumed that the songs are their songs. You could say that the Tiesto's and the Sashas are the Kylies and Madonnas of EDM :p
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I don't really give much credit to most "pop" artists, anyway. I was referring to more of the rock band type artists. Take your classic long-lived artists, such as Zepplin, Floyd, Rush, U2 etc. All those guys write their own music, and it still stands the test of time today. Most of these bands have music that is still exceedingly popular today, even though a lot of it was written 20-30 years ago. No one is going to remember the latest Kylie single in 30 years. "Pop" music is a disposable commodity and most "pop" artists have very little longevity anyway.
A lot of pop artists may have their songs written for them, but most bands still write their own tracks. I don't listen to any kind of "pop" music, but with the majority of music I listen to outside of EDM, its all written by the artists themselves. |
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| G-Con |
| okay, I was just pointing out that EDM is far from being the only genre of music where the composer is behind the scenes with little credit |
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| airwalker1 |
| all the above is true dont forget there is a maseve crossover these days from real music and dance music. and personaly trance is as populer now as it ever was because it's so dame virstal.:crazy: |
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| Sonic_c |
| randy boyer check him out he is good he is called enamss |
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