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Why is abortion still an issue? (pg. 3)
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| Moongoose |
| To hear you people talking one would think that some people need to have an abortion after every time they have sex. Not every unwanted pregnancy is the result of being irresponsible, someone can practice safe sex and still get pregnant. And if neither the father or the mother can support the child abortion is about the most responsible thing they can do at that stage. Carrying a baby to term and then putting it up for adoption is an option but not really an option. That's still 9 months ruined for a person that might be in a stage of her life where she really needs to focus on something else. I don't know about you, but to me, living people take precedence over those that might come to life. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
To hear you people talking one would think that some people need to have an abortion after every time they have sex. Not every unwanted pregnancy is the result of being irresponsible, someone can practice safe sex and still get pregnant. And if neither the father or the mother can support the child abortion is about the most responsible thing they can do at that stage. Carrying a baby to term and then putting it up for adoption is an option but not really an option. That's still 9 months ruined for a person that might be in a stage of her life where she really needs to focus on something else. I don't know about you, but to me, living people take precedence over those that might come to life. |
This really depends on where one believes life begins though.
Besides, one would have to be pretty naive to think safe sex is somehow an automatic exemption from the possibility of creating life - there is ALWAYS that chance should one choose to take the gamble.
Having said that, they should still be responsible for taking such a gamble.
Safe sex IMHO is not an excuse. |
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| Moongoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
This really depends on where one believes life begins though.
Besides, one would have to be pretty naive to think safe sex is somehow an automatic exemption from the possibility of creating life - there is ALWAYS that chance should one choose to take the gamble.
Having said that, they should still be responsible for taking such a gamble.
Safe sex IMHO is not an excuse. |
I was struggling for a bit on how to answer this until i saw what you did there. Call me naive but i will have to strongly disagree with your second paragraph. It's a matter of a problem you raised in your first sentence, where does one believe that life begins. Your wording of the second paragraph suggest that you believe that life begins at conception and since i disagree on that, i cant agree on the other stuff i wrote.
However i do believe that there is always chance of conception, no matter how good are at practising safe sex, but as i pointed out i don't believe that life begins there. A chance for life sure, but not life itself. However I am not willing to sacrifice the life of a grown adult over a mere chance for life. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
but not likely to be a decision that is ever overturned in any court. |
who needs to overturn a court decision when the religious nutjobs are chipping away at a woman's right at the state level? |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Exactly, people should be more responsible about their sex lives... if you can't have safe sex and live with the consequences, too ing bad, deal with it. Abortion, although it has it legitimacy depending on circumstances, is basically used as a scapegoat to act / live irresponsibly. That is the part I find kind of pathetic and disgusting, especially when it turns in to a BS second wave feminist argument about a "woman body." I didn't know a woman fingering her clit or shoving a vibrator up her vagina could knock her up. Since you touched on the death penalty, I support it in theory but it certainly does have it's problems in practice, which is why I'm on the fence on that one. |
Good thing it is legal since I don't want or need anyone else's morality. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
especially when it turns in to a BS second wave feminist argument about a "woman body." |
since when is that NOT a valid issue? |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
Abortion is still in issue because its the silent genocide that the Dems are waging. |
wow dude. If you don't like abortion, then don't have one. But you can't tell a woman what to do with her body, no matter how much the bible or your upbringing and heritage might say that you should. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Who gives a since if abortion is overturned on a Federal level then it will be up to the states to pass their own abortion laws. I.E. can't get an abortion in Texas... drive to New Mexico. |
this is true, but there is not enough NATIONAL support in the United States to overturn Roe vs. Wade. If McCain/Palin tried, there would be absolute ing pandemonium. Republicans will always run on the anti-abortion ticket, but wouldn't dare to overturn it...at least for now. McCain probably couldnt' give a about abortion, but he got Palin on the ticket to appease the nutjob religious right that were tepid in support of him. Hugely political move, plain and simple. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
The decision to have irresponsible sex came before the decision to have an abortion or not.
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sometimes accidents happen. Precautions can be taken such as condoms, but the break and slip off all the time (maybe just for me, because I am a rockstar in bed) and birth control isn't 100%, especially if you had a girlfriend like mine who couldn't remember what day of the week it was. But that's why you have the morning after pill available now. An "accident" happened with me and she took that that night...problem solved.
Is that pill considered "abortion" by the way? I'd imagine the Republicans do, since they are also against the use of condoms or contraceptives. It's such a stagnant approach to the entire issue of sex, pregnancy, etc that they have.:confused: |
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| NeoPhono |
Just a little "thought" exercise...
1. Not everyone believes that what makes us a person is being shot out through the vagina or removed surgically from Mom. People have varying definition of what defines "human" and to those people you not only have to look at Mom's rights, but to the rights of that "thing" inside of her. It's not that pro-lifers are trying to deny Mom of her rights, but to ensure the rights of the "thing" inside of her.
2. Many pro-lifers don't like the "accidents will happen, even with sex safe" argument, because ultimately there was a decision made to have sex, regardless of how safe you are, and if you "accidentally" still get pregnant, it doesn't take away from what was said in #1.
--So, it ultimately comes down to when you think that mass of cells inside mom is more than just a mass of cells and becomes a human/person with the rights that everyone on the outside has. That's why there's still a debate, because there is no universal definition. |
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