Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I never shoved it down your throat either. I have never voted in my life
Then you have no need to be in a political forum.....
you sound like all of those ing retard celeberties that jump on "insert bandwagon" cause and get all red in the face....then it it found out THEY DIDN'T VOTE... sorry dude, you fail..
I can't stand people like that.... ing pitch a fit about the current sitiuation and then say I DON'T VOTE! wtf??
and here I thought you being all political and having great ideas on how things should be done.... and you just stated that you don't even vote?? Kindly STFU about anything political cause you have no ground to stand on. none
shaolin_Z
quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Thank God for democracy.
You'll have to elaborate on that one :p.
diesel_tron3000
yeah it sucks abortions can't increase GDP and create new jobs. oh well i guess that's why it's a decisive issue
Shakka
quote:
Originally posted by diesel_tron3000
yeah it sucks abortions can't increase GDP and create new jobs. oh well i guess that's why it's a decisive issue
Jesus Christ on a flagpole that was shallow.
jerZ07002
quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Jesus Christ on a flagpole that was shallow.
.....and incorrect. Obviously people pay for abortions.
Dj Smitty20
quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
no, there's still a debate because some members of society deem it appropriate to dictate to others how to live their life.
I was going to respond, but that pretty much sums up what I was going to say.:D
shaolin_Z
quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Thank God for democracy.
Ok, I guess you don't feel the need to an I can safely assume what you meant. First of all, as a Muslim, the Quran explicitly teaches me that I'm not allowed to impose my religion or morality on non-Muslims... voting your beliefs in to legislation isn't terribly different, which is why in a secular system religion and politics should be kept separate, something that isn't really done a whole lot in this country... in fact, it the best way to pander to a certain voting demographic.
Second, I see no point in participating in a bull freak show (i.e. politics). We're a republic that happens to supposedly be "democratic." We're a far cry from being the republic outlined in the constitution or a democracy. Representative democracy is hardly democratic and the biggest display of irresponsible and uninformed human behavior. Our media is far from watchdog media and is basically the emperor's lapdog. We have serious neurosis as a society and country, and live in a quickly shattering illusion of freedom and democracy.
Third, there's no one running who could possibly interest me in voting, ever (with the exception of a rare Ron Paul spaz attack I had). Your politician are bought off and paid for by the corporate interests that promote them in the first place. I'm not fond of sucking corporate dick like my good fellow citizens.
Forth, I've never been interested in disingenuous discourse or social spaces. It's doesn't get more disingenuous than politics, and your vote doesn't count for anyways in this country, we have Gerrymandering especially to thank for that.
Fifth, people who participate is such a fiasco are really in no position to point fingers, especially about a stupid concept to begin with. You voting people, are the ones who vote these s that create havoc both home and abroad. You have no right to complain, you voted them in, not me. Take some ing responsibility instead of repeating the same counterproductive behavior pattern, and then patting yourself on the back for voting in the next guy to drop bombs or destabilize governments overseas, and prostitute your country away to corporate interests. I on the other hand, have every right to complain as I did not vote these s in to power. George Carlin, R.I.P, sums up my sentiments on voting quite nicely in this clip:
If I'd feel like voting for anyone, it would probably be Ralph Nader who has no chance in hell of winning ever. So why bother in the first place. The system is broken and ed, it has been for a while but now it's really hitting home is all... not to mention becoming increasingly harder to not take note of, which also means the collective neurosis and denial is sky rocketing, again, implying we're all ed. I'm not fond of games, especially ones where regardless of the outcome, you're still going to loose. There's no point in participating, other than making yourself feel better, which implies you were naive or sold out enough to put stock in a bunch of bull in the first place. I as an individual, have no power or resources, to affect any change on my own and activism has it's limits... plus I've been fairly disillusioned with many activist groups.
You can feel better about voting, I would actually be sick to my stomach if I did and probably not able to live with myself.
All that is based on the assumption that you're towing the standard line about how it's somehow shameful or something to not vote.
"The crisis of modern democracy is a profound one. Free elections, a free press and an independent judiciary mean little when the free market has reduced them to commodities available on sale to the highest bidder." - Arundhati Roy
“Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses.” -Henry Louis Mencken
"Democracy is an abuse of statistics." -Jorge Luis Borges
EDIT: Here's another clip that really pits the post:
shaolin_Z
quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
no, there's still a debate because some members of society deem it appropriate to dictate to others how to live their life.
That's actually no different from any other law btw.
shaolin_Z
quote:
Originally posted by HardTranceProd
The country is relatively insular, and enjoys a high standard of living. So it can afford to waste time on things that are a non-issue in other countries.
There's more countries in the world than those populated by people of European dissent.
Lebezniatnikov
I didn't say you have to vote for McCain or Obama - democracy gives you the freedom to express your opinion through voting in any way that you want. You can vote for Mickey Mouse for all I care - but in a democratic society, when you defer to others to make the decisions you abrogate your ability to use your voice.
It really makes no difference if you agree with the major parties - vote for someone else who better embodies the values you have and the beliefs you hold dear (be that Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, or Tom Cruise).
shaolin_Z
quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I didn't say you have to vote for McCain or Obama - democracy gives you the freedom to express your opinion through voting in any way that you want. You can vote for Mickey Mouse for all I care - but in a democratic society, when you defer to others to make the decisions you abrogate your ability to use your voice.
It really makes no difference if you agree with the major parties - vote for someone else who better embodies the values you have and the beliefs you hold dear (be that Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, or Tom Cruise).
I guess you missed part of the point I was making, I have no voice, nothing that will ever reach Washington at least. None of us do really, we're given the illusion that politicians share the same concerns as your average citizens... when they're nothing more than selfish, parasitic opportunist trying to climb the ladder to increase their wealth, influence, and possibly 'status'. And in order to climb that ladder, you have to please business... by the time you could even conceive of having any chance at running for president, you've already sold your soul to corporate interests by that point. Politicians almost entirely lack a sense of service, which is ironic as they're supposed to be public servants... they may even call themselves that, but don't exactly act like it... they're corporate servants. I'm not saying there aren't well meaning or any good politicians out there, but they're kind of few and far between... and sadly, it seems like the voting population doesn't trust them, and is more interested in maintaining status quo... which means wallstreet wins, not the concerns of your average American. Plus, being a well meaning person doesn't mean you haven't been blinded by institutional indoctrination.
Lebezniatnikov
quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
I guess you missed part of the point I was making, I have no voice, nothing that will ever reach Washington at least. None of us do really, we're given the illusion that politicians share the same concerns as your average citizens... when they're nothing more than selfish, parasitic opportunist trying to climb the ladder to increase their wealth, influence, and possibly 'status'. And in order to climb that ladder, you have to please business... by the time you could even conceive of having any chance at running for president, you've already sold your soul to corporate interests by that point. Politicians almost entirely lack a sense of service, which is ironic as they're supposed to be public servants... they may even call themselves that, but don't exactly act like it... they're corporate servants. I'm not saying there aren't well meaning or any good politicians out there, but they're kind of few and far between... and sadly, it seems like the voting population doesn't trust them, and is more interested in maintaining status quo... which means wallstreet wins, not the concerns of your average American. Plus, being a well meaning person doesn't mean you haven't been blinded by institutional indoctrination.
I guess my only point was this: that if you believe the system is stacked against you, use your vote to build momentum against it. If enough people do, then it changes. But if everyone decides not to vote at all rather than "waste" a vote on someone they don't think will ever win, you've only ensured that the current system will go on unchallenged indefinitely.
