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What to say, when you get the "edm has no emotion/is all just crappy stuf to dance to (pg. 3)
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| chesco |
| I think a large percentage (a majority) of modern music is total , electronic or otherwise. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
not sarcastic, just exaggerating.
what I mean is, I have more respect for people who make music live, even if I don't like it, than I do for people who spend weeks behind an ableton screen making something I don't like. |
Well I'll repeat what I originally edited out: most of all all music is . As far as I'm concerned the only important part is what it sounds like coming out of the speakers, and how it's made. |
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| palm |
| try argue with him and prove him right |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
lol you have some weird obsession...
most electroincally-produced dance music is very ty, regardless of what genre it is, and IMO it's worse when it is engineered carefully in a studio to be ty and not ty because the artist was sweating and blistering on stage picking strings, sweeping bows, busting lips, flailing arms, dancing, etc
i think everyone pretty much knows that, but they just dont like to admit to themselves that they have spent so much time and money on something so lame |
Have you ever listened to Underworld, Mr. Vana? |
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
Have you ever listened to Underworld, Mr. Vana? |
He didn't say "all electronic music sucks", to be fair. |
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| airwalker1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
+1
Their musical opinions rarely can mean anything to me at that point... this exhibits such a closed-mindedness that it's hard to get past. |
plus two! |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
He didn't say "all electronic music sucks", to be fair. |
Yeh I know, I'm just intrigued that he had this way of thinking. I would have never imagined. And he sort of agreed to the argument the op brought up. To say that all EDM has no emotion is like saying all trees don't have leaves, which is really not the case. Bad analogy, I know. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
Have you ever listened to Underworld, Mr. Vana? |
of course, and some is good, but my point was not to say that all electronic music is .
i mean i try to make electronic music and I buy a lot of it, so that would be pretty stupid, right? :p
@System-J, i mean, you're right. i wasn't trying to be misleading |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
lol you have some weird obsession...
most electroincally-produced dance music is very ty, regardless of what genre it is, and IMO it's worse when it is engineered carefully in a studio to be ty and not ty because the artist was sweating and blistering on stage picking strings, sweeping bows, busting lips, flailing arms, dancing, etc
i think everyone pretty much knows that, but they just dont like to admit to themselves that they have spent so much time and money on something so lame |
Lol i was just joking mate. I know what you say and i tend to agree with you although i would add that what is equally or more important is what you do with the computers. I mean i get the feeling that its much easier to make a techno or a house or a trance track then some of the tracks that Boards of Canada or Bola make (or even post-rock/electronic hybrids such as Lights Out Asia) despite the fact that these electronic musicians probably use similar equipment (laptops?). You listen to these acts and you get much more thematic, complex and evolving music than the standard "introduce every 16 bars or something a new loop or arpeggio" of pure EDM (maybe in some older progressive house and/or trance tracks you got more "evolution" but thats it) I think that the difference in the quality is not due to the equipment per se (ofcourse i guess that the different ergonomics between live performance and digital cuttin n pastin play an additional important role) but due to the skills of the musicians and maybe also to the natural constraints that electronic DANCE music poses. Ofcourse we have discussed these aspects before .:p |
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| wotyzoid |
| I meant, how can "all" EDM be emotionless though? I've heard stuff that literally gave me shivers before. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
The "has no emotion" bit is just stupid. There's a large degree of relativity in what will move people and what people will perceive as having "emotional content."
I have some sympathy for the "it takes less talent to make" argument, because a musically inexperienced person would probably have an easier time making a competent-sounding dance track than a competent-sounding rock track, I think. But that's only "competent-sounding," i.e. pretty plain and average.
Making good music of either kind takes real talent and creativity. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
I meant, how can "all" EDM be emotionless though? I've heard stuff that literally gave me shivers before. |
the difference is, in a month it probably won't give you shivers anymore. other people have made music that has given people shivers for centuries.
as petran says, there are a lot of restrictions in making dance music
i also think there are a lot of restrictions in scoring an orchestra, but there is more freedom for expression with real instruments. technology is not at the point where we can be so intuitively expressive with some kind of eye/mind/hand loop
you have restrictions on tempo, on time signature (which is really nothing anyways), on key, you have shorter attention spans, you have these miserable expectations to make your music go boom boom boom boom
music is mostly too loud, compressed, and neatly packaged (this goes for pop music too) there is no openness in the mix, not much of anything strangely human about it.
the thing is, dance is different than music. in dance, the movement and the ecstatic experience of this movement creates the emotion. techno does not need to be inherently emotional, it merely needs to open doorways to emotional experience by stimulating basic human responses to rhythm and tone. |
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