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What to say, when you get the "edm has no emotion/is all just crappy stuf to dance to (pg. 4)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
the difference is, in a month it probably won't give you shivers anymore. |
Really?
The emotional power of my favorite dance music has the same longevity for me as any other kind of music I listen to. Does that mark me as someone with poor taste or arrested aesthetic development?
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I don't see what's so different about dance music as compared to any other kind of music, or why it should be less "powerful." Yeah, it's a heck of a lot simpler than many other kinds of music, but simple need not mean bad, cheap, or ephemeral. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Really?
The emotional power of my favorite dance music has the same longevity for me as any other kind of music I listen to. Does that mark me as someone with poor taste or arrested aesthetic development? |
no..
where did i write that - i'm certainly not saying that
flush those bad thoughts away |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I have some sympathy for the "it takes less talent to make" argument, because a musically inexperienced person would probably have an easier time making a competent-sounding dance track than a competent-sounding rock track, I think. |
I don't even think that. There are a billion garage bands in the world- everyone and their dog used to be in a band, and most of them could write at least one competent rock song. In terms of difficulty, rock has the requirement of live playing, but it doesn't require very much attention to detail, where as dance music doesn't require any skill to play but it takes a huge amount of patience and fiddling to sound decent. I've been told that a proper Live PA, Orbital style, is more difficult than playing one instrument as part of a live band.
I think the whole notion is bull anyway. The only genre I would say has a higher proportion of high-quality, emotionally complete music is classical and associated areas, because it has entry level requirements of a musical education and access to an orchestra that preclude any old twat from having a go. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
no..
where did i write that - i'm certainly not saying that |
You wrote "the difference is, in a month [the dance tracks you heard] probably won't give you shivers anymore."
I was remarking how that doesn't match up with my own experience of dance music. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
In terms of difficulty, rock has the requirement of live playing, but it doesn't require very much attention to detail, where as dance music doesn't require any skill to play but it takes a huge amount of patience and fiddling to sound decent. |
True.
I just don't normally think of the "fiddling" with amp or filter envelopes, waveforms, and effects as being "musical" in the same sense as the actual composition and playing parts of music-making. But I can definitely agree that there is a certain attention to detail in sound -- often even in a beginner's attempts at making dance music -- that many rock bands don't even seem to bother with. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
You wrote "the difference is, in a month [the dance tracks you heard] probably won't give you shivers anymore."
I was remarking how that doesn't match up with my own experience of dance music. |
That is the impression I got as well. :conf: |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
You wrote "the difference is, in a month [the dance tracks you heard] probably won't give you shivers anymore."
I was remarking how that doesn't match up with my own experience of dance music. |
ok, so change 'a month' to any finite length of time dependent on your personal experience...
i'm not trying to make this thread about your life lol (not a spirit5 thread yet)
the point is, dance music seems to be very disposable. I would wager that there is a HUGE contingent of people on this forum that grew out of a certain kind of music very quickly after it lost its sugar coating
why is it that we can listen to the sound of a harp or a guitar so many hundreds of years later, but we get tired of a supersaw or a farty bassline in year or less? |
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| wotyzoid |
| I don't think it's as radical as you make it to be, Adam. We still don't get tired of 4 to the floor kick drums after years as well. Who is to say rock music today isn't as "disposable"? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
the point is, dance music seems to be very disposable. |
I think that has a lot more to do with how it's marketed and the dominant "DJ at a party -> fan" structure of dissemination than any inherent quality of the music.
| quote: | | I would wager that there is a HUGE contingent of people on this forum that grew out of a certain kind of music very quickly after it lost its sugar coating |
Sure, but I don't think that's any less true in most other kinds of music. Classical and jazz are less like that, but even in that context I've heard people dump on things like Faure and Copland's later stuff as schmaltzy "beginner's fluff" -- something people are supposed to "grow out of."
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I think the ephemerality of most dance music (and a whole lot of rock as well) has a lot to do with how "trendy" it is. Legions of producers pick up on a certain sound and beat it to death until everyone is sick of it, so you get lots of people who are "tired" of the music they used to love; you don't get people truly trying to set themselves apart as often as you do in genres like classical or jazz.
But this is just sociology really -- it's not like dance music has to be that way. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
We still don't get tired of 4 to the floor kick drums after years as well. |
I do :(
ok im going back to my mom's basement
too many forums, too little time |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I do :(
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Isn't it a little hypocritical of you to be saying that with all your famous contributions to the scene. ;) |
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| Beat Blog |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Your FACE has no emotion! |
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| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
not sarcastic, just exaggerating.
what I mean is, I have more respect for people who make music live, even if I don't like it, than I do for people who spend weeks behind an ableton screen making something I don't like. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I think the ephemerality of most dance music (and a whole lot of rock as well) has a lot to do with how "trendy" it is. Legions of producers pick up on a certain sound and beat it to death until everyone is sick of it, so you get lots of people who are "tired" of the music they used to love; you don't get people truly trying to set themselves apart as often as you do in genres like classical or jazz.
But this is just sociology really -- it's not like dance music has to be that way. |
I agree wholeheartedly with this.
I haven't been listening to dance music long; maybe 6 or 7 years now, and already I can pick tracks from certain eras by the set of sounds and effects they use without ever having heard the song before.
Not necessarily such obvious things as saw-wave bass lines, but smaller things like claps vs snares vs white noise hits, or the boominess of a kick drum or the complexity or simpleness of the bass line.
Dance music is inherently trendy, and moves a lot quicker than other styles, though often in a very linear way. |
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