today Joementum! makes the case for McCain....again
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"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."
"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate, and he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it, This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."
"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."
"Has any Vice President in U.S. electoral history ever made it more clear that his running mate is completely unfit for the office that he seeks?
And if Biden dosn't have faith in Obama, why should the rest of us?"
Lebezniatnikov
Stupid to say? Yeah. Gaffe? No.
"Barack Obama is going to be tested and is going to a make a decision that may not be popular, but will be right. Because he has good judgment that isn't attached to the whims of the people."
Yeah, I don't know how you got the conclusion that Biden believes Obama unfit to be president.
Q5echo
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Stupid to say? Yeah. Gaffe? No.
"Barack Obama is going to be tested and is going to a make a decision that may not be popular, but will be right. Because he has good judgment that isn't attached to the whims of the people."
Yeah, I don't know how you got the conclusion that Biden believes Obama unfit to be president.
well two things. first, what the f**k does this mean?
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"judgment that isn't attached to the whims of the people."
are you telling me you approve of that assesment?
does that meme sound familiar to you? W maybe? it's minor anyways, it's Biden ffs...the guy has no filter
second and more important. why does Joe feel the need to tell people Obama will need help?
i understand his apparent logic on Obama needing blind approval for whatever off-the-wall decisions he's going to make. i don't agree with that approach to leadership, but i understand it, almost sympathize with it. but why? what kind of Presidential leadership needs that kind of approach on how to lead?
the point whether its a gaffe or not is moot. the campaign has effectively muzzled him anyways. sucks IMO but oh well.
pkcRAISTLIN
i have a question for you Q5:
do you think palin is more capable of acting as VP than biden?
Q5echo
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i have a question for you Q5:
do you think palin is more capable of acting as VP than biden?
yes
Groundhog Boy
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i have a question for you Q5:
do you think palin is more capable of acting as VP than biden?
I think we all know the answer to this one...the question is WHY!!??
I'm sure we just don't know about the insignificant affiliations that they have that make or break a campaign to complete morons. I guess that was the perk of nominating a completely unqualified woman - no one knows anything about her, so it's harder to attack, plus she's a woman. As a result, you look like an when you try to dig up info within 2 months of her national political birth. God forbid anyone would try to question her. I remember how easily Hillary had this whole thing...but was just incompetent.
BTW, don't like Hillary, - at all -, but I would be severely conflicted about which to vote for now. I liked McCain in 2000, but can't stand him now because of his shifts in positions (if I ever hear about flip-flopping again...). And Hillary's nanny-state policies from the 90s that weren't highly pushed annoyed me back then.
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Originally posted by Q5echo
yes
How thoughtful. No wonder you support McCain....
Krypton
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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
How thoughtful. No wonder you support McCain....
Obedient Republicans don't question authority.
Dj Smitty20
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Originally posted by Q5echo
yes
dude you're sounding a bit delusional here or, at the very least, very small townish.:nervous:
You think Palin is more qualified than Biden? Yeah....ok. You would vote for George Bush against Obama if there were no term limits. Basically you just vote Republican all the time like a robot?
Stubborness just leads to loss in life by the way. I learned that the hard way myself.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Q5echo
yes
holy crap. i knew you were one-sided on the issues, but this is just beyond comprehension. but thanks for answering honestly, youre a brave man :p
Q5echo
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
holy crap. i knew you were one-sided on the issues, but this is just beyond comprehension. but thanks for answering honestly, youre a brave man :p
you asked Palin or Biden so i gave you an honest opinion.
it was kind of a vague question to begin with, "better capable of being VP". what does that mean to you?
i know what it means to me...or should mean anyway. who's more capable of transformational change in office? clearly, CLEARLY it can't be Biden. it just can't be. it would violate the laws of physics.
what has Biden ever been right on? according to conventional liberal wisdom he's the only candidate this entire race that has been wrong on the Iraq war AND the surge. i mean wtf right? if i were a liberal Dem and honest with myself (unlike most Americans on this board) i'd be trying real hard to reconcile that with my support for Obama saying, dude, why did he pick this guy? but, like Krypton always falls back on when he's out of ideas, Dems love to follow Obama no matter what Biden's position is or what comes flying out of his mouth.
give him a pass i don't care.
Q5echo
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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
No wonder you support McCain....
it's not real hard. judges, taxes, defence.
you pick a candidate you believe will fight for what is important to you. it's very simple. McCain/Palin are sans much, if any, nuance on those issues.
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by Q5echo
according to conventional liberal wisdom he's the only candidate this entire race that has been wrong on the Iraq war AND the surge.
I don't know about that - that certainly depends on what you think about political reform stemming from the surge.
Iraq is his biggest liability among Dems, but the authorization did pass in the Senate like 99-1. He, like Colin Powell, was duped by bad intelligence.
