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paul van dyk "i make music for the clubbers, not the critics" (pg. 10)
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Neo95gt
And I dunno wtf you're talking about when you say tiesto or armins has no credibility |
Of course you don't. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Neo95gt
So does commercial = vocals? |
Commercial = deliberately composing music to make it attractive to as wide an audience as you can.
In the case of trance's commercialization, this meant including sing-along vocals, chorus-verse structure, and an extremely obvious and predictable dynamic of tension and release in the form of breakdowns. These provide clearer "cues" to the casual listener. They make it clear what you're supposed to feel, when you're supposed to dance and stop dancing, and so on. It makes the music more accessible and therefore more popular. |
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| GrimReaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Neo95gt
So does commercial = vocals? I still don't know what "commercial sound" means but it sounds like its a well made vocal trance tune. |
What mr BoJingles said.
Vocals alone don't make tracks commercial but they surely do have a big part in the process. For example there are countless trance tracks which were originally instrumentals but to simply boost the sales, vocals were added into them later on to appeal to a wider audience. If a track gets praise from the fans and DJs as it is, why add vocals into it? If that's not commercialism, what is?
Half the people listening to dance music do find vocals more or less appealing so if all EDM was fully instrumental, probably only half of the current listeners or less would be listening to it and so only half the amount of music would also be sold. |
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| MichaelBoogerd! |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Besides, I'd argue that the first steps towards his descent were made ten years ago. Tracks like Tell Me Why and the 98 rework of For An Angel were the beginning of the end for PVD. He made a massive surge from #42 in 1997 to #6 in 1998, just around the time he started making poppier trance. Obviously he didn't miss the trick. |
I'd argue that jump from 42 -> 6 was down to regular parties at Gatecrasher, when the poll was still mainly UK based, surely his consistent visits to the top club in the country at the time, would have had a major impact on the poll.
Nothing to do with what he was producing back then - - because unlike today, 10 years ago, the poll still stood for what it was supposed to... a DJ poll.
I agree with a poster on page 6, the very popularity surrounding these guys, has lead to a saturation of the audience at most gigs - because to sellout a stadium or event hall you need more than just your rabid zombie fanbase, you need the masses too. It's lead them right down the garden path to commercialization of their sound.
When you have 10'000 people to please every night, you have to keep it bigroom, you have to keep it interesting... and the many times i've seen Tijs take it deeper or harder into a different style of trance than usual, and the crowd get bored and start wandering to the bars... what does he do? He has to play to who're infront of him.
I love how Tijs, Armin or PvD will use some kind of "i'm expanding my musical pallette" ball to justify how they just made a cheesefest new album, to "break boundaries between EDM and pop" errr LOL. |
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| Neo95gt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Of course you don't. |
I think credibility is the wrong word.
Armin and tiesto = credibility
You and your 80lb girlish figure = zero credibility |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
I'd argue that jump from 42 -> 6 was down to regular parties at Gatecrasher, when the poll was still mainly UK based, surely his consistent visits to the top club in the country at the time, would have had a major impact on the poll. |
That's a good point, actually. High visibility amongst the voting public = high chart placing. This links in with my point about the number of people voting- the smaller the sample, the more skewed the results can be. But as the years go by and the voting demographic become more global, you can't just play a residency at a big club and be voted in. You've got to reach more people, more of the time. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Neo95gt
Armin and tiesto = credibility
You and your 80lb girlish figure = zero credibility |
:stongue:
Would Clovis be more credible if he weighed 250 lbs? :conf: |
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| Neo95gt |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
:stongue:
Would Clovis be more credible if he weighed 250 lbs? :conf: |
Yes, but only if he shaves off the latin rapist mustache.
Jk bro |
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| Clovis |
| I actually just trimmed it to perfection after a shave. |
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| woscar99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nchs09
:stongue: |
There you are! |
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| saluyamo |
| quote: | Originally posted by MichaelBoogerd!
When you have 10'000 people to please every night, you have to keep it bigroom, you have to keep it interesting... and the many times i've seen Tijs take it deeper or harder into a different style of trance than usual, and the crowd get bored and start wandering to the bars... what does he do? He has to play to who're infront of him. |
It sounds as if they dont really want to be sellouts but in order to keep their lifestyles (contracts?) they need to push out commercial music |
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