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paul van dyk "i make music for the clubbers, not the critics" (pg. 13)
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I'm up to date because I usually get given the new PVD releases to review due to the fact I'm a "PVD expert". I don't own Reflections and wouldn't pay for anything he's done since then either. I had POD2 but got rid of it after reviewing it. I don't have any of Tiesto or Armin's recent stuff at all, although I care less about them because they were never nearly as good as PVD in the first place. |
I know you do reviews and i'm sure you listen to stuff you otherwise wouldn't quite have the incentive to. And i wasn't refering to you as much as to the general feeling that these big names have all these dissidents that are somehow still part of their following. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
How much to do with this issue do those quotes have? They seem very tenuously connected at best to me, certainly not saying anything that you couldn't more succinctly phrase yourself. |
i had the book next to me when i checked this thread and thought it would add something interesting and possibly illuminating to the thread.
i think it's rather directly related to the issue, which is the desensitization of people to music as they are inundated with forgettable commercial nonsense
thanks for the review of my post though, lol |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
i had the book next to me when i checked this thread and thought it would add something interesting and possibly illuminating to the thread.
i think it's rather directly related to the issue, which is the desensitization of people to music as they are inundated with forgettable commercial nonsense
thanks for the review of my post though, lol |
Yeah, but isn't all this a bit too New Agey for a cold, futuristic and technocratic techno music-fan (and musician)?
I suggest you start listening to:
Enigma
Deep Forest
Enya
Sacred Spirit
Yanni (lol)
Amethystium (this is actually good)
samples from the pygmies mating
Oh, yeah and Mike Oldfield ofcourse |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Yeah, but isn't all this a bit too New Agey for a cold, futuristic and technocratic techno music-fan (and musician)?
I suggest you start listening to:
Enigma
Deep Forest
Enya
Sacred Spirit
Yanni (lol)
Amethystium (this is actually good)
samples from the pygmies mating
Oh, yeah and Mike Oldfield ofcourse |
LOL! :stongue: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | | Originally posted by PETRAN |
:stongue: |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Yeah, but isn't all this a bit too New Agey for a cold, futuristic and technocratic techno music-fan (and musician)?
I suggest you start listening to:
Enigma
Deep Forest
Enya
Sacred Spirit
Yanni (lol)
Amethystium (this is actually good)
samples from the pygmies mating
Oh, yeah and Mike Oldfield ofcourse |
mm, not quite - i suppose you don't listen to any indian classical music then?
ps i almost dressed up as yanni for halloween |
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| mattos000 |
| haha theres so much talking here |
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| mimikish |
| quote: | Originally posted by adi_hanson
done.
bacon sandwiches for breakfast |
mmmm a blt sounds good right now |
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| idoru |
In response to the quote itself:
It shows. Hey, at least he's being honest and admitting that he's making cheese that will get the crowd going, as opposed to acting as though he's underground. |
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| Chimney |
| Not only PvD that turned towards a more pop-version of trance, but overall the trance tide is. Tijs and Armin took the same path and produce garbage, however PvD's sets are still decent due to the fact that he still tries to improvise and bring maybe a reworked version of a known track as opposed to Armin that whores around with his promos sent to him by his jockey-friends. |
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| Stasis |
I just re-watched the music video for Forbidden Fruit and it got me thinking about this...
The thing with older Paul van Dyk songs (and older trance really), is how earnest it was. It was really just kinda out there, heart on its sleeve and all that. Those Seven Ways tracks that System J reviewed (I just read your review by the way and great job), are just straight forward and, um, this sounds horrible, "honest" (?) (bleh).
In fact, the whole genre, the whole mood of the scene at the time, etc etc had to be built on that sort of earnestness/honesty. The whole "feel good", euphoria-kinda thing of trance just withers in the face of cynicism. As soon as either the DJ or the audience starts getting cynical, the whole thing falls apart (as it did).
Today, Paul van Dyk just sounds cynical, and this is (I think) what nefardec was getting at--so are we. Saying you make music for the "clubbers" comes off as cynical, because we know it's not really that simple for PvD. Playing "Time of Our Lives" at the end of every set (sidenote: I haven't seen him play live for almost 4 years now, and is he really still playing that???) is just a cynical thing to do. It's allegedly supposed to create this euphoric moment with some guy telling the audience "This is the time of our lives", ie. really spelling it out for the audience on what clubbing is supposed to be I guess, but when you know it's going to be played like clockwork, it's just hollow and (to beat a dead horse) cynical. |
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