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Anyone have your music properly mastered? (pg. 3)
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Read the OP properly next time, figure out what the OP is stating or asking. If you've had your track mastered, post snippets or the whole track if you'd like, if you have not had a track mastered I'm not really looking for opinions on what mastering is.
If you have something to add to this thread based on what the op specifically asks, feel free, if not make another thread about mastering and be the idiot you speak of and share your theories about how its really done. Throw in some philosophy and ethics in there while your at it.
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Thanks, Dick. I'm so glad there are people like you to correct everyone. What I'm saying is that there is no point in sending an idiot pre/post samples. If your ing ty ass track sucks before mastering, it's going to ing suck ty ass after mastering. So why do you care? If you can't master the track yourself, then I'm sure your production isn't anything worth the effort. Now go yourself. |
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| MOK |
Very big of you, Alanzo.
I, on the other hand, have an example but I aint posting it for this self-deluded child. I could try to reason with him, but that's probably a waste of time. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beyer
1:Vinyl mastering is ONE aspect. There is also CD mastering, tv mastering, radio etc.
Just wanted to point that out (not to you especially Kismet7), itīs all in the name of making the
music fit the medium itīs being played on, or the end user. But thatīs another story all together.
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Good points, Beyer. I'll also just add that another primary purpose of mastering (e.g., CD mastering that Beyer mentioned) is not just to make a particular song sound CD-ready, but it's also to make a set of songs sound CD-ready, balance out the levels, arrange the song sequence, and generally just turn a group of 10-15 distinct songs into a cohesive unit (i.e., an album). That's an art form in itself and goes way beyond what most people on forums call "mastering." It calls for decisions to be made that can improve the overall quality of the majority of the tracks, but may require changing or "sacrificing" the quality of others in order make them "fit" with the rest of the album and maintain a song-to-song consistency. In this case, posting a pre-/post-mastered version of one song wouldn't tell you much. You'd have to hear the difference in the context of an album.
The problem here is that many people (the OP included) don't really understand what mastering is and tend to confuse "pre-mastering" or "optimization" with mastering. Proper mastering is not just a simple case of slapping some multi-band and linear phase plugins on the track and calling it good. Read Bob Katz and you'll start to understand the difference.
Now, all that said, I perfectly understand what the OP is asking us to do, but unfortunately I am at work right now and don't have access to my original and professionally pre-mastered tracks, but I'll try to post a sample later so he can hear the difference. I will say this though, in one of my experiences the pre-mastered version turned out terrible and sounded much worse than the original. |
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| Sean Walsh |
I could likely dig up samples of the pre and post mixdowns for Time Lapse and Quarter Century.
In the case of Time Lapse I thought that the pro-mastering people did a worse job with the original .wav than I did by slamming it through a hard limiter, at least by hearing the two at the club I used to play at. Then again I might just be a moron. |
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| Kismet7 |
Thanks, thats all you had to do, now we got some turkey legs for the hungry vikings. Lets carry on with this sort of thing. And I see plenty of difference, most important being the unmastered version would not be playable in a club or in a mix cd next to other tracks that are mastered. But then again i have great ears =)
I don't get why your downplaying mastering? The greatest track in the world has no value to anyone unless its properly mastered. And there are a lot of producers out there that think they need to make there track loud at the tracking/mixing level, when they really dont need to push the levels at all anywhere near 0db, but rather just mix each track well in contrast with eachother, and let mastering do their job. And this what this thread will prove to other producers that are less experienced, amongst other things. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
I don't get why your downplaying mastering? |
Ugh, it's you're not your. But then again, I have great grammar and other douchey qualities. I'm also full of myself and have little to back it up; especially knowledge of music production.
"I don't get why" -- let's hope you never do. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
Ugh, it's you're not your. But then again, I have great grammar and other douchey qualities. I'm also full of myself and have little to back it up; especially knowledge of music production.
"I don't get why" -- let's hope you never do. |
Would you get mad if I did not take any of that as sarcasm? To save you time, here it is again
| quote: | | It's not like any mastering studio runs it through some magic gear that makes it an amazing track. All they'll do is run it through some VSTs, maybe some hardware gear if they have it, and make it louder, sometimes brighter, and sometimes bassier. Compression can help to make the track fuller and/or puchier, but that's it. Any idiot can master a track, it's not hard. |
That is the most ignorant post i've read all week, given what the OP was and given that you probably have not worked with any quality mastering houses if you've managed to downgrade their importance to just playing with some vst's and maybe doing this and maybe doing that. But thanks for the example earlier, it did make up somewhat for your douchey replies :D
ps : let me guess you think im a novice producer because of this thread? Would you like to have a competition on production skill with your best friends as judges? :disbelief |
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| Sean Walsh |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Thanks, thats all you had to do, now we got some turkey legs for the hungry vikings. Lets carry on with this sort of thing. And I see plenty of difference, most important being the unmastered version would not be playable in a club or in a mix cd next to other tracks that are mastered. But then again i have great ears =)
I don't get why your downplaying mastering? The greatest track in the world has no value to anyone unless its properly mastered. And there are a lot of producers out there that think they need to make there track loud at the tracking/mixing level, when they really dont need to push the levels at all anywhere near 0db, but rather just mix each track well in contrast with eachother, and let mastering do their job. And this what this thread will prove to other producers that are less experienced, amongst other things. |
LMAO.
I can clearly hear the difference in my ty logitech headphones here at work -- anyone that isn't deaf can. I think we all understand the difference in the final versions.
The main question I have is whether or not the same thing can be achieved by anyone that had the capacity to make such a track in the first place with standard software plugins. As an exercise I might take the unmastered version, master it myself, and see how close to the final mastered version posted I can get in a short period of time.
After watching the Rob Babicz video I'd love to hear the final result of something he masters vs. the final result of something someone else masters using the same crap plugins he says are terrible and should never be used. I think his work is great so I'd love to hear the audible differences. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Would you like to have a competition on production skill with your best friends as judges? |
No thanks. I don't produce music anymore and it's all your fault. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| I have 2 great examples of what the OP is looking for actually, as soon as I get on my studio comp I'll get them up so people can see why mastering can be useful. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
No thanks. I don't produce music anymore and it's all your fault. |
Come onnn it'll be fun. I just started a new techno tune called 'Little Cute Baggy.' Its not done yet but ill put in the competition. Or you can pick the deep tune I started a few days ago. Your choice :D |
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