rich, starboy, thrax, who are you guys argueing with? Who here is argueing such things as "Obama is not reaching out to the miniority"? Or "republicans have to vote republican no matter what, cause they are registered republicans?"
Im registered republican, and I voted for Al Gore in 2000, and Ralph Nadar in 2008. All Im saying is Obama and the democrats are not taking over the world. 4 short years ago the democrats were in bad shape. Power has been shifting for centuries between the two parties, and it will continue to shift. Super Obama isnt going to change that
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by stefanoc
For all the people who say Bush had nothing to do with this crisis, here's your answer:
it's funny how even an economist finds this to be good.
My point is, no one is an saint and no one can fix the problem unless citizens themselves take charge and understand what's going on.
The easiest thing to do is to blame others for problems and everyone does this. I think the people who should be blamed for all this is us. We should have a voice but unfortunately the people with voice are the people with money such as special interest lobbyist. The only way to fix this problem in the long term is if the American people know what the is going on but unfortunately people just don't give a about that and just think selfishly. All they care about is themselves. There are also many dumb people out there or people who fail to see the big picture. It's ok to be wrong but it's dumb to be wrong and ignorant.
I get your point - that's why I haven't had much sympathy for all those people who bought houses they never could afford, but comparing what Bush HAS ACTUALLY DONE, to a news article speculating various different incentives to jump start the American car industry in not correct.
Also, trying to get people to buy cars is not a bad thing - one thing hurting the global economy (as any economist will tell you) is consumer confidence - without it, people don't buy, meaning companies don;t make money, so those same people loose their jobs. Offering someone a tax incentive to buy an American made car, eases pressure on people who need to buys cars and could in theory at least, keep people in the car industry in work. It would seem to be more effective than just giving the money to one of the car companies so they can loose it as their share price keeps plummeting due to lack of sales or spend it on private jet travel.
I'm not saying this is the solution - the article gives several possibilities but what happened during Bush - what was Promoted and lobbied and made law under Bush had severely contributed to the mess were in now.
My brother in Law in the UK, just went to get a loan from the bank to buy a car. UK interest are at 1.5% - the lowest in history. He has good credit too. The lowest rate he could get off any bank (inlcuding his usual bank) was an interest rate of 25%. Until the bank stop hoarding the money and stop being greedy (not to mention investing incredibly stupidly (madoff)) the business economy will not tuen around. Obama, if he needs to do anything, needs to force them in to action and trading with each again.
Josh - you voted for Nader? jesus christ. What did you just want to spite both parties (including yourself)?. Just joking - your vote is your vote but I just don't understand what a vote for someone who has zero chance (every election) is for anyone?
|Thrax|
I never argued anything!
I only commented on TASD's lack of humility when bringing the topic of "oh they must have been Democrats" when the guy slaughtered his entire family! Yea, must have been a "libtard" right? :rolleyes:
read it again:
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NEWS STORY:
The bodies of five children and two adults -- the children's mother and father -- were found Tuesday in a home in the Los Angeles neighborhood of Wilmington. Among the dead, authorities said, were an 8-year-old girl and two sets of twins -- 5-year-old girls and 2-year-old boys.
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TASD:
That's a sad story for Libtards as they just lost 2 current and 5 future supportive voters.
Ronald Ravin'
I voted for Nader, and yes I did want to spite both parties. ;)
R!CH
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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
rich, starboy, thrax, who are you guys argueing with? Who here is argueing such things as "Obama is not reaching out to the miniority"? Or "republicans have to vote republican no matter what, cause they are registered republicans?"
i never said anything about a requirement for registered republicans to vote along party lines. actually i didn't even touch the subject of how you vote. my argument is that your republican party brands itself as one thing when its historical reflection (based on the party leadership, policies, speeches, votes, bills, appointments, signings) is that of something entirely different. you acknowledge it yourself. so why do you make the CHOICE of associating with a party that can't even reconcile its theories and ideals with its reality and results? why not shed that label so you no longer feel the need to be defensive when the brand is under attack? unilateralism is a proven failure, deregulation is a proven failure, supply-side economics is a proven failure--and yet your party still fights for these things! i guess my point is... unless you're fighting for these same things, WHY DO YOU IDENTIFY WITH THIS PARTY???
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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
Im registered republican, and I voted for Al Gore in 2000, and Ralph Nadar in 2008. All Im saying is Obama and the democrats are not taking over the world. 4 short years ago the democrats were in bad shape. Power has been shifting for centuries between the two parties, and it will continue to shift. Super Obama isnt going to change that
my question to you is who was making the argument that obama is going to walk on water and cure the world's ills? what has he done in the last 8 days that makes you so cynical about his presidency already? for your own sake you should stop thinking in such hyperbolic terms.
djjoshuaallen
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Originally posted by Ronald Ravin'
I voted for Nader, and yes I did want to spite both parties. ;)
yep! I wanted to vote, but didnt want to vote for either of the front runners. It may have been wasted in some peoples views, but i satisfied myself
djjoshuaallen
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Originally posted by R!CH
my question to you is who was making the argument that obama is going to walk on water and cure the world's ills? what has he done in the last 8 days that makes you so cynical about his presidency already? for your own sake you should stop thinking in such hyperbolic terms.
Obama has done nothing, and that is the point. All the Obama craze is baseless, outside of hope during hardtimes. Most TA's are all hyped up on the Obama train, which is founded on little more the great speeches, lack of republican leadership, and a weak economy. He probably would not have won that election if the economy didnt crumble half way thru 2008. The American People are desperate
R!CH
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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
Obama has done nothing, and that is the point. All the Obama craze is baseless, outside of hope during hardtimes. Most TA's are all hyped up on the Obama train, which is founded on little more the great speeches, lack of republican leadership, and a weak economy. He probably would not have won that election if the economy didnt crumble half way thru 2008. The American People are desperate
another failed republican notion: experience matters more than temperament.
djjoshuaallen
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Originally posted by R!CH
another failed republican notion: experience matters more than temperament.
perhaps you will learn this when you get one, but work experience is most relevant and the TOP qualification in %99 of the jobs in this world.
starboy
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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
Obama has done nothing, and that is the point. All the Obama craze is baseless, outside of hope during hardtimes. Most TA's are all hyped up on the Obama train, which is founded on little more the great speeches, lack of republican leadership, and a weak economy. He probably would not have won that election if the economy didnt crumble half way thru 2008.
Fail. He was trouncing mccain in the polls as soon as he beat hillary clinton in the primaries, and he was always ahead of mccain in the polls even before his win in the primaries. Sara palin was the game changer, mccain pulled ahead for one week until everyone realized how much of a blithering idiot she was. Obama came back ahead in the polls, then wall street and the economy collapsed which put him a little further ahead then he was before palin.
Nice try.
T.A.S.D.
It's laughable that you Libtards think Obama's reaching across his 'isle' with intentions of bi-partisan compliance. He isn't and his champions of partisan politics, Pelosi and Reid, basically stomped their feet in true, typical libtard fashion exclaiming that "we won and can do what ever we want." The republican party in recent times have abandoned their conservative principles and that is the sole reason the party and its brand is tarnished. Unanimously taking a stand against Obama-Pelosi-Ried's reckless spending bill which vastly expands welfare, advances his radical, socialistic agendas, creates more dependence on government (read--more libtard votes in the future) does nothing for our economy and is ladened with enourmous inorganic pork, is the first step the party took in their inevitable quest for their awaited return.
Obama's in big trouble and we can all say we don't want to be him. His appointments are a joke: Tax cheat Tim Geithner and his Goldman Sachs lobbyist 2nd chief of staff (that one was for you dj rann). Or the corrupt Eric Holder, Hitlery.. I can go on. Or how about his first actions in office were to advance his sympathy for terrorists or to go on jihad radio to sympathise with Muslims whilst blaming America first, calling us "dictators" more or less? Way to go Barrack! You got 1 term.
T.A.S.D.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Obama, so far is good thing, not a bad thing, and nothing to be scared or racist about.
The fact that you would inject or assert 'race' (all Libtards are undeniably racist) into this thread absolutely discredits you even more past the bottom rungs of thought and ideology you were already dwelling in called Libtardism . Never and not once was this election and now current administration about race from the right side of things. Only leftards tried to use it to gain corrupt favor. It's Obama's far left, radical ideas he wants to commit into policy is what we're criticizing, not that he's half white. If color is what you mean, then it's because he's green, and not because he's half white. You are shamed. But it's what I would've expected from you and your lot like R!ch, thrax and starboy.
