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An Anti-Gay Debate (pg. 7)
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| Ania_xox |
lol at the dumbasses using the perverted priests as a means by which to criticize Christianity
sick s exist everywhere - one part does not stand for the whole |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| As far as I know, the rate of sexual abuse among priests is not significantly higher than the rate among the general male population. I think people are especially indignant about the priests because they are in a profession that is supposed to be very trustworthy and concerned with living a moral life. |
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| Ania_xox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
So, I was talking to some dude from one of my classes today, and I am not sure how it came up, but he made some type of comment like "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Being gay is wrong, it says so in the bible".
So I asked "How do you feel about lesbians"?
"4 breasts are better than 2!!"
*sigh*
This irritates me. People who use the bible to back up their choice to like or dislike something, but on the very same note, will support what they claim they are against.
I basically called him a hypocrite after that, but then I started to wonder, is it hypocritical of a person to be attracted to something they believe is fundamentally wrong (based on their religious beliefs?)
Is it reasonable to expect someones beliefs to reflect their sexual preferences/attractions?
Discuss. |
I have been meaning to work this in to a COR thread somehow (hope you don't mind my insert here Theresa)
FAO: GUYS
If your girl ed around with another guy, I am assuming you would be pissed/consider it cheating/possibly leave her.
If your girl made out/ed around with another girl, would you consider it the same thing? Is it not as bad? Just as bad? Worse?
My bf said it's not the same thing and he wouldn't be pissed really- but he couldn't put his finger on why not.
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| boris_the_bear |
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| squirrelly |
Honestly... I think it should be legal. ASIDE from religious debate - do any of you realize the difference between a civil union (legal for gays) and a marriage (as far as rights go)? There's a HUGE difference.
And I'm lazy (and at work), so if you don't know the difference... google it. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
Honestly... I think it should be legal. ASIDE from religious debate - do any of you realize the difference between a civil union (legal for gays) and a marriage (as far as rights go)? There's a HUGE difference. |
This depends greatly on the jurisdiction. |
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| Aortik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
*** edit... can we get back to homosexual marriage now... since we've really strayed into a side discussion, which should (IMO) have zero bearing on the right of homosexuals to legally marry. |
But religion has everything to do with it - perhaps not Christianity specifically, but the transmission of religious belief is quite analogous with the transmission of hatred, ignorance, and intolerance. These are ways of life as well, passed on through the same social filters that imbue people with religion from an early age and they are practically indestructible memes due to the very nature of their transmission; just as religion, from a social perspective, is a doctrine of taboos and specialization through behavioural patterns, sexual intolerance is merely one such taboo imparted by - as said many times before - people who simply do not understand their religion or people who understand its power all too well. But is it not pretty simple to understand just how beliefs could be passed along no matter how illogical they are? Arachnophobia, for example, is a learned behaviour - mostly irrational fear - but try to condition somebody out of it. It's possible, but deeply ingrained fears and prejudices are not things easily purged through logic, despite surmounting evidence to their utter irrationality.
Anyone who says that homosexuality is "unnatural" had better take some time to define their terms and explain just what is natural and what isn't and, more importantly, why. Further, why is our adherence to what is 'natural' the only way to maintain the existence of some creator? I understand how people could 'feel' closer to God or whatever when they are running naked through a spring meadow after a gentle rain, but why are 'unnatural' things an abberation of God's will? It seems to me that we were created with the will and the power to do a great many things, unnatural and otherwise considered, so why should we be condemned for anything if the ability to do it is in service to the existence of possibility and thus God?
In addition, love is unnatural. Discuss. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ania_xox
FAO: GUYS
If your girl ed around with another guy, I am assuming you would be pissed/consider it cheating/possibly leave her. |
pissed: yes, leave her: no
| quote: | | If your girl made out/ed around with another girl, would you consider it the same thing? Is it not as bad? Just as bad? Worse? |
I would make no distinction based on gender.
| quote: | | My bf said it's not the same thing and he wouldn't be pissed really- but he couldn't put his finger on why not. |
Men that think this way usually do so because at some level the hope/feel that if their girl scissors with other chicks then eventually he'll get to join. |
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| st3nc |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
Discuss. |
no iffense...but this thread is gay |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aortik
But religion has everything to do with it |
my edit was because we had strayed into a discussion on the validity of religious beliefs, which is neither hear nor there for this discussion.
| quote: | | It seems to me that we were created with the will and the power to do a great many things, unnatural and otherwise considered, so why should we be condemned for anything if the ability to do it is in service to the existence of possibility and thus God? |
Back to defining terms... who is condemning? Man condemns because man fears anything outside of what they consider to be acceptable, acceptability defined by societal norms or accepted standards of behaviour.
| quote: | | In addition, love is unnatural. Discuss. |
I have to disagree; love is natural and necessary in order to foster the relationships required for our young to survive childhood and for our species (which is terribly evolved for survival alone without technological advantage) to survive until we reached a level of technology sufficient to make up for our other deficiencies. |
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| Aortik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ania_xox
I have been meaning to work this in to a COR thread somehow (hope you don't mind my insert here Theresa)
FAO: GUYS
If your girl ed around with another guy, I am assuming you would be pissed/consider it cheating/possibly leave her.
If your girl made out/ed around with another girl, would you consider it the same thing? Is it not as bad? Just as bad? Worse?
My bf said it's not the same thing and he wouldn't be pissed really- but he couldn't put his finger on why not.
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Men are biologically predisposed to compete and be aggressive towards other men who pose a significant risk of reproducing with their respective mate. It's why guys aren't usually terribly comfortable with their girlfriends hanging out with other guys or all guys, especially if they don't know any of these guys - it's as though their property is undefended and the exclusivity of their monogamous sexuality is threatened, which is sort of funny considering that monogamy is undoubtedley a female invention in the first place.
Other women however do not pose reproductive threat as other males do, so there is little actual sexual preface for men to be aggressive over. If anything, men are posed to be aroused by lesbians because they represent, in the same way that a virgin does, the supposed purity of feminine beauty, contact, sex - a concept rooted in chastity (depite the fact that it often could not be farther from the reality of things) and as such, just another symbol for male attraction to the impregnable womb. |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
This depends greatly on the jurisdiction. |
In Florida. |
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