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let us talk about that pet sound "trance" and why we try so hard to make it? (pg. 3)
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Nem are you saying you really like the red haired step child you have locked away under the stairs? :conf:.....Think you need some help mate ;) :p :toothless
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LOL! Yup, walked straight into that one he he... :D
Another thought I suppose could be that maybe we all carry some element of blame in the decline of Trance. The tools became more accessible and we shattered the myth of our own idols. They suddenly became mortal again and faded in our own minds everytime we completed a new track.
People also fell in love with Anjuna beats and copied that style to death, never understood why, probably some of the blandest trance out there with a few exceptions. IMHO of course.
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| RichieV |
i think it is pretty simple
people generally try to replicate things they like. |
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| flutlicht junky |
Because even though the sheeple think they know what trance is, we know different. Trance can be anything you want it to be, you know when it's trance and when it isn't.
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
That's because they came and went in 95/96.
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Jungle and DNB have more respect in 2009 than Trance and House combined. And the quality is leagues higher. Trance and House artists can't even form a break :P They are still on the ONCE ONCE ONCE ONCE stuff. :P |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Jungle and DNB have more respect in 2009 than Trance and House combined. And the quality is leagues higher. Trance and House artists can't even form a break :P They are still on the ONCE ONCE ONCE ONCE stuff. :P |
Are you an alt of Rubez? |
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| cronodevir |
Who is Rubez?
And why does it matter? What I said is fact. It was supposed to be a joke, but if you want to be serious, sure, Jungle and DNB have tons more integrity than anything a trance or house artist could even fathom.
Trance right now is that music style people start on to learn how to produce, then they move on. That is trance in 2009. And that is what I have seen many artist do, start out making trance as a toy to learn their gear, then they moved on to something with a bit more integrity, such as dnb or goa. The cheesey catchy cliche accolades of trance hold very little substance these days. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theran
In my opinion, trance has lots of subgenre's. To name a example, I have a friend with whom I sort of 'started' DJing. We meet up every now and than to spin some records together, and he know's I've been into trance a couple of years now. But everytime I play some newer tracks, he starts telling me that I've changed my style to more minimal / house type of stuff. And everytime I tell him, it's not I changed my style. Trance music is also evolving, and is getting more and more influences from other genre's, and lately a lot from house and more minimal stuff.
I see 'trance' as a mainstream genre. For instance, what is pop music? Pop music can be rock, ballads, hiphop.. you name it, and that's the way I see trance. When you are telling people that you are making / playing trance music, they always think about uplifting/euphoric trance, because that's known as 'trance' in the commercial scene.
Producing wise, I started out making hardstyle (long time ago ;)), and slowly started into uplifting trance. However, very little uplifting trance astonishes me these days. when listening to trance around the world, I like most of the tracks, but I don't love them. If I listen to the Gareth Emery podcast, I love every track he plays, why? Because he plays a 'wide' range of trance music, with influences from every genre of music, which I think for the 'underground' trance lovers, is much more interesting. |
Its all relative. A bunch of trance fans in sydney had a cry because trance energy played too much tech trance. They said it was too tech oriented. But to a tech fan, that music would have been pure trance, perhaps with a very slight tech influence.
Thats why I find genres annoying, what I call trance, a lot of people in sydney call prog. But what I call prog, a lot of them call tech house. Meanwhile, in parts of europe, the stuff I call prog gets called trance and the stuff I call trance gets called house. And in 5 years it'll be completely different again. Genres are simply not helpful.
But at any rate, I find the prog/trance melodic sound to be the easiest to make. Techno/tech house/deep house is the hardest to make IMO. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Are you an alt of Rubez? |
Actually I think he's been taking too many drugs. He used to have sensible stuff to say... now... not so much.
I do half agree with him on that though, theres a lot of people claiming dubstep as the next big thing. And I do agree that trance was better when there was still a breaks/jungle influnce. Salt tank, afterlife and all those guys used to make trance with a lot of breaks, so did all the good old trance acts.
I think trance started dying a bit when it became obsessed with the four on the floor stuff and stopped breaking it up. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Who is Rubez?
And why does it matter? What I said is fact. It was supposed to be a joke, but if you want to be serious, sure, Jungle and DNB have tons more integrity than anything a trance or house artist could even fathom.
Trance right now is that music style people start on to learn how to produce, then they move on. That is trance in 2009. And that is what I have seen many artist do, start out making trance as a toy to learn their gear, then they moved on to something with a bit more integrity, such as dnb or goa. The cheesey catchy cliche accolades of trance hold very little substance these days. |
Don't you mean "un tss un tss?"
Drum & Bass is the kind of music you'd expect the DJ to put on so that the kid that's having a seizure from overdosing doesn't look awkward.
No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to make simplistic trance songs out of 8th notes and a I-IV-V-I chord progression in the key of C. |
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| cronodevir |
Nah, I'm just in an argumentative mood kitphillps and I get tired of seeing what I see so often on trance forums.
I know I sound cheeky, but dubstep and darkstep arn't really the same. Though I do like classic dub [70's dub] and jungle and all that stuff. Jungle is just ... wow. but more importantly I actually hear melody in alot of this jungleish stuff. Now in the big picture dnb/jungle isn't far ahead of trance when it comes to melody. But compared to trance..wow.
Trance these days is made with a program called CMajGen, it generates and arp on the cmaj scale. You just push the generate button and you have your lead. The bass is C2 on every beat. That is trance. And originally, that wasn't a problem, in 1992 if someone did what i mentioned, it would be awesome, not in 2002 or 2009. Its gotten way too old. Trance with 16 bar melodies is what id like to hear, with a bass as equally complex as the lead. And can we get atleast a hint of breakbeat in there?? Four to the floor is old. Its cheese, its the stereotypical trance theme. And none of this pop-y stuff either. I don't want Vocal Happy without the vocals.
Maby trance was supposed to only be good in the first 10 years and we were supposed to move on, but not everyone moved along, and those that stayed made this even more popular. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Nah, I'm just in an argumentative mood
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You do not have alot of mood swings now do you ? |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
You do not have alot of mood swings now do you ? |
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