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| Sonic_c |
No your getting it all wrong you want to make money at music
1) Be a good producer (people might pay you for your time)
2) Release good music on good labels
3) Register with PRS or equivelant for royalties
4) Be a sound engineer for gigs etc
5) Build up equipment rent out studio + engineer (you)
6) Start your own label
7) Get a following and sell merchandise
8) Make an album and get it plugged on radio etc so people buy
9) Remix do for free at start but eventually when people ask charge!
10) be a great networker none of this is possible without
11) DJ/perform your music
All of the people I know that do only music and get by do all this and more and thats what you have to do. It is no different to the kids from Chicago makin "warehouse" tunes and selling them to Trax. |
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| Subtle |
| Make the best and most consumable music. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| Know the right people. |
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| mfitterer1 |
Until people learn the same will continue. Money is made via albums. releasing 40 different ep's will not reach consumers it will reach the dj base and the hardcore listener. To reach the casual listener you need to release albums, and your album needs to hook them, and they will keep buying. Same thing with compilations. People in the us are used to the album system, and the us is easily the biggest music market. So with that said why do so many people release ep's? Your work should be timeless, meaning it doesn't matter if it gets released in 2009 or 2011 if it's made correctly and the right amount of effort put in it should be a hit regardless. The problem is too many producers go with the here and the now and follow trends which means they have to complete tracks before that trend falls flat on its face. Be the trendsetter and this changes. New sounds, new arrangement styles, new and different melodies and progressions. Just the fact that almost every trance track is made in the natural minor shows the problem with this industry right there. We need CHANGE! If something doesn't work, go find something that does. Goddamn I'm sick of people who bitch bitch bitch but then they don't act upon that bitching at all.
Why do you think all american genres make so much more money for the average good producer/artists? Also, you need to skip the label process and take matters into your own hands. Since there is so little money in the industry for record sales, why lose a large % of that? Unless you are very close to a label and know their primary goal will be promoting your product and more importantly you, why the would you touch them with a ten foot pole? This industry is so competitive and close knit it all comes down to the business aspect of it as to who goes to the top and who doesn't. How else do you explain Oakenfold being where he is? The dude has always known how to run a successful business off of his name despite being < status quo when it comes to his productions. So next time you release a track to a label ask yourself if you're going to get the promotion as an artist that you both deserve and need to flourish. I'm not talking about the release being promoted, but the artist who makes the release.
Also don't for a second think a big label won't take advantage of some faceless dude they've never met. If i'm signing tracks over I will have met you and discussed things with you in person at some point to make sure our goals are one and the same and methods of achieving those goals are matched up. It's easy to get worked over by people when they don't have to attempt to do it to your face. I am smart enough to be able to look someone in the eye and see what their true intentions are.
Producers have no patience and no business sense I swear.. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
When I think "album" I think "major rip off." I'd rather just get exactly the songs I want and not have to pay for fluff put in. |
Point proven. That is you the industry speaking. Music is currently tailored towards the industry, not branching out to consumers. Albums branch out to consumers because they get a lot of music in a little package (1 cd). They can also put it in their hands, it's not a digital release where they have to download it, burn it themselves. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sonic_c
No your getting it all wrong you want to make money at music
1) Be a good producer (people might pay you for your time)
2) Release good music on good labels
3) Register with PRS or equivelant for royalties
4) Be a sound engineer for gigs etc
5) Build up equipment rent out studio + engineer (you)
6) Start your own label
7) Get a following and sell merchandise
8) Make an album and get it plugged on radio etc so people buy
9) Remix do for free at start but eventually when people ask charge!
10) be a great networker none of this is possible without
11) DJ/perform your music
All of the people I know that do only music and get by do all this and more and thats what you have to do. It is no different to the kids from Chicago makin "warehouse" tunes and selling them to Trax. |
This guy may not now but eventually he will be a success. It is all in the mindset and method of attacking your consumers. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
I agree that albums would help electronic artists be more successful. It's easier to make a fan out of somebody with a collection of great songs than with a few singles.
But the problem is that most people don't have the talent to make a whole CD full of good music, much less the patience to see the task through. I think the number of people talented enough to make one good single is much, much higher than the number of people talented enough to make an entire good album. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I agree that albums would help electronic artists be more successful. It's easier to make a fan out of somebody with a collection of great songs than with a few singles.
But the problem is that most people don't have the talent to make a whole CD full of good music, much less the patience to see the task through. I think the number of people talented enough to make one good single is much, much higher than the number of people talented enough to make an entire good album. |
There you go you just solved the puzzle. Most producers are dj's trying to make it and increase their fanbase by producing as well. Not talented producers working at their craft. When you half ass anything, the product is half assed. I don't think it takes any more talent to create an full album as opposed to a ep, it just takes more heart, time, and dedication. I also think the reason very few artists do it is because they use the same things over and over again. This doesn't get exposed when a dj is playing the singles with a bunch of other artists tracks, but when you play through a 12 track album and all the songs sound the same (style, sounds, arrangement) it really loses its luster.
The money is in finding a happy medium between your sound and mixing it up so that the album doesn't stagnate and all the tracks don't sound the same.
For example I just purhcased TyDi's album "Look Closer" and all the tracks are the same. It's impossible upon the first few listens to differentiate track from track. They are all well produced and I like them individually but that is not what an album is supposed to be about. There is no flow and not enough change throughout.
I'm not a Tiesto fan at all, but this is why I liked "Just Be" so much when I first got into edm (I seem to remember this was one of his ghostwritten albums). It hit you from so many different angles and each new song was fresh and different from the one prior. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
I don't think it takes any more talent to create an full album as opposed to a ep, it just takes more heart, time, and dedication. I also think the reason very few artists do it is because they use the same things over and over again. This doesn't get exposed when a dj is playing the singles with a bunch of other artists tracks, but when you play through a 12 track album and all the songs sound the same (style, sounds, arrangement) it really loses its luster. |
Ha, good point. An album isn't a good idea if you only have one sound that you beat to death all the time. |
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| mysticalninja |
I have friends who listen to nothing but trance/house, but neither of us have ever bought an album.. my friend downloads new mixes off UKtrancealliance every day, and I buy singles off beatport cause I dj.. theres really only maybe two artists i'd buy albums of, and that's just support their awesomeness.
This music really came to us through napster.. It wasn't on MTV, it wasn't being played on the radio, you couldn't find it at the 'warehouse' (music store) ... The first time I heard this stuff was probably around 1998 when I was 10-11 years old at a quake2/hl lan party. some of the older kids were playing it. You know the stuff you found on napster if you searched "Techno" or "Trance"... Stuff like Trance[]Controll, anti-loop, atb/alicedeejay, Dj Mangoo(LOL), tetris/mountainking/pacman remixes etc. It wasn't for awhile after that I heard someone play a proper full Dj mix in his car. That's when i started to really like it.
I've heard trance is really a singles medium. I agree, and that's because in the end, it's when it's in a Mix that it's truelly complete. A trance album wouldn't make much sense unless it's all mixed together. |
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| DJSoulstone |
EDM tracks are designed to be used by DJs and to be mixed. They are meant to be part of bigger whole. So I doubt that there are a lot of people listening to them unmixed. That's why there have been "Radio Remixes" in the past where the essence was compressed into 3-4 minutes. Nowadays those remixes disappeared and instead producers tend to create more "pop" sounding tunes to attract a wider audience. The single tracks became more complex in their structure and there are much more often vocals inside.
That's why a lot of the long time fans (me included) think especially Trance lost its soul. But that's a different topic. :) It's just that producers of EDM put more Pop and Rock samples/structures into their creations, while the focus of the track shifts from "being part in a set" to "sell by itself". This way they try to gain a bigger audience. |
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| palm |
| the new Prodigy album seems to be a hit for the consumer, alot of my friends all digg it and these are people that usualy hate when i put on some EDM. So theres hope but to get there its important to stop making tracks dj friendly. no one can put up with that anymore. |
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