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Air France jet missing over Atlantic (pg. 12)
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
According to an Airbus telex sent to all airlines using their A330, the flight recorders on Air France flight 447 confirm that their airplane didn't suffer any failure and they shouldn't take any precautionary measure: ...at this stage of preliminary analysis of the Flight Data Recorder, Airbus has no immediate recommendation to to its operators. Updates will be provided as soon as significant items that Airbus will be available or will be authorized to issue more information in accordance with the investigation. According to Le Figaro, the flight data recorder points to an error by the crew as the origin of the accident that killed 228 people aboard the Airbus A330. The data will be disclosed soon by the agency investigating the accident. Le Figaro's sources say that they still don't have data from the Cockpit Voice Recorder, which will probably reveal more about the actual source of the accident.
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the only error of the crew, is if they saw the storm beforehand, had enough time to divert, and chose not to.
other than that, an airplane is not built to fly through mother-of-all-earth thunderstorms that are HUGE AND NASTY, over the middle of the ocean. if they built planes to withstand that, 75% of people that use planes could not afford a ticked to get on that plane. |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
So many questions as to why they behaved the way that they did...
I thought of so many possibilities for the crash but never did pilot error cross my mind. I just gave the crew the benefit of the doubt...
I don't think I'll ever fly Air France...
Second pilot error crash in 3 years... |
if the admit to any structure failure, or system failure leading to the crash, they get sued for millions by all the families of the diceased.
the world is a game about money.
it is cheaper to pay off whoever you need to, so they dont report the actual failures of the crash,
then to pay tens of millions to a lawsuit because admitting to any sort of structural/engine/system failure of the airplane.
blaming already dead pilots is about as cheap as it gets to "getting off scotch free" |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzQi
Hard core
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I've read about a number of near misses that were due to the pilot, a junior, pulling up instead of down when they should have gone down. You'd think that would be common sense, even non-pilots know that. |
if they pulled up, that means they knew they were going to die for sure if they stayed in the storm,
because pulling down, would leave you still inside the storm, with the possibilities that either something freezes, and failures/airplanes structure breaks, or turbulence causes heavy malfunction or for a wing to snap off.
if they pulled up, it means they got hit blind by the storm, and if you pull up while you still have running engines, and everything functioning, then you might be able to elevate above the storm system and avoid the storm, which would be a less riskier option that to risk structure/engine failure due to freezing/turbulence or both if they pulled down.
what im guessing is though, they pulled up praying they could go above the storm, but it was a thunderstorm probably of twice the height above the ocean from what their altitude was when the storm hit.
because it was a HUGE STORM, and it grew BIG instantly, it means it was a 0/0 chance of survival either way.
sometimes, Death is unavoidable. |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
Someone's had access to the full transcript ahead of the report next year. I doubt the audio will ever be released, though.
THE FINAL MOMENTSMarc Dubois (captain): 'Get your wings horizontal.'
David Robert (pilot): 'Level your wings.'
Pierre-Cedric Bonin (pilot): 'That's what I'm trying to do... What the... how is it we are going down like this?'
Robert: 'See what you can do with the commands up there, the primaries and so on…Climb climb, climb, climb.'
Bonin: 'But I have been pulling back on the stick all the way for a while.'
Dubois: 'No, no, no, don't climb.'
Robert: 'Ok give me control, give me control.'
Dubois: 'Watch out you are pulling up.'
Robert: 'Am I?'
Bonin: 'Well you should, we are at 4,000.'
As they approach the water, the on-board computer is heard to announce: 'Sink rate. Pull up, pull up, pull up.'
To which Captain Dubois reacts with the words: 'Go on: pull.'
Bonin: 'We're pulling, pulling, pulling, pulling.'
The crew never discuss the possibility that they are about to crash, instead concentrating on trying to right the plane throughout the final four minutes.
Dubois: 'Ten degrees pitch.'
Robert: 'Go back up!…Go back up!…Go back up!… Go back up!'
Bonin: 'But I’ve been going down at maximum level for a while.'
Dubois: 'No, No, No!… Don’t go up !… No, No!'
Bonin: 'Go down, then!'
Robert: 'Damn it! We’re going to crash. It can’t be true!'
Bonin: 'But what’s happening?!'
The recording stops. |
sounds like its supposed to be a movie script. can i say FAKE??? |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
Best article I've read yet. By Popular Mechanics.
Very detailed and utterly terrifying.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...6611877?src=rss
Although the full report is due next year, some french dude has published a book about the disaster with the entire transcript in it. The BEA are quite hacked off. |
if you ask someone to provide the black box, they wont be able to. its somewhere in the bottom of the ocean.
i read the article in your post. that thunderstorm snapped a wing off, or snapped the plane in two while it was still in mid-air.
the conversation between the pilots sounds made up and a cover-up to the fact that they dont want to admit
the planes they build are not safe to fly through huge thunderstorms that occur over the ocean...
safety factor of the wings 1.5 - 2 and structure 1.5 of an airplane
will not withstand the loading caused by extreme turbulence or structural failure via rapid freezing that a nasty thunderstorm would produce. |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flec
i disagree, now that they figured out what happend they are going to be taking steps to fix this which reduces the chances of it occuring again. |
not if it costs money.
they blamed the pilots, they are not obliged to fix anything.
money rules the world, not intelligence.
decisions that are made with money, or for money, do not necessarily need to be either intelligent, or of high moral standard. |
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| DJ RANN |
Lol, one man thread.
Did you actually bother reading the reports or the rest of this thread?
No? oh, just trolling. Ok, carry on then. |
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| TheTrinity |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Lol, one man thread.
Did you actually bother reading the reports or the rest of this thread?
No? oh, just trolling. Ok, carry on then. |
i analyzed everything posted in this thread,
from an Aerospace Engineering stand point.
the fact that not a lot of planes are involved in a plane crash comes from the limit of behavior, not the evolution of intelligence. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheTrinity
i analyzed everything posted in this thread,
from an Aerospace Engineering stand point.
the fact that not a lot of planes are involved in a plane crash comes from the limit of behavior, not the evolution of intelligence. |
Got a degree in aerospace engineering? |
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| Vector A |
Degrees? Who needs one of those?! School is just for brainwashing the sheeple!
:p |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheTrinity
i analyzed everything posted in this thread,
from an Aerospace Engineering stand point.
the fact that not a lot of planes are involved in a plane crash comes from the limit of behavior, not the evolution of intelligence. |
Some of the you are spweing is downright offensive.
"A cover-up" are you ing serious? |
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