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Student fires up a joint during his pro-pot legalization essay (pg. 6)
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| elFreak |
once again preaching with no conclusive proof other than my brother is coocoo for cocoa puffs so you will all be too.
Tell me man, do you believe in jesus? |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
who took the link you posted, read it, and saw plain as day that you posted things that proved what i was saying. |
Such as the following...
| quote: | | ...cannabis users increased their risk of suffering psychotic episodes by some 40 per cent. |
| quote: | | The drug destroys lives by causing or precipitating psychosis in the vulnerable, argued Dr Persaud. "Just a little cannabis, if you have the wrong genetic make-up, will precipitate psychosis," he argues. |
| quote: | | The main problem, according to medical authorities, is that it is impossible to predict with certainty people who might be vulnerable to psychosis and schizophrenia, aside from those with a family history of such problems. |
Clearly referencing that you do, in fact, have to already have the genetic makeup for psychosis. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
once again preaching with no conclusive proof other than my brother is coocoo for cocoa puffs so you will all be too.
Tell me man, do you believe in jesus? |
I posted up plenty.
Tell me man why is your life so dull that you like to Troll people on the net all the time? |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
No it wouldn't, even normal weed probably wouldn't trigger it. But the stronger stuff is much more likely.
It is a hereditary thing, and it is a predisposition but if he hadn't smoked strong weed it's very likely it wouldn't have happened (hence it caused it).
I'm not preaching do what you want, but you're rolling a dice taking it (especially strong stuff), be under no illusions. |
Once again it's your own brothers fault for smoking it. Don't blame pot, blame him. Also, can you say without 110% absolute certainty that he wouldn't have developed psychosis if he hadn't smoked? No.
Kudos, however, go to you for agreeing with the fact that you have to be predisposed to it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
I posted up plenty. |
No, get it right. Almost all of the ones you linked to on your Google search reference that it is not the sole factor of psychosis, rather the individual already has the makeup for it and it merely hastens the process along. |
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| elFreak |
tell me why you post links to try and prove your point without actually reading them, because the links you posted prove my point.
then maybe i will tell you why, just don't get crazy on us. |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
No it wouldn't, even normal weed probably wouldn't trigger it. But the stronger stuff is much more likely.
It is a hereditary thing, and it is a predisposition but if he hadn't smoked strong weed it's very likely it wouldn't have happened (hence it caused it).
I'm not preaching do what you want, but you're rolling a dice taking it (especially strong stuff), be under no illusions. |
I smoke some of the strongest in the world on a daily basis and I'm completely fine. It's not the potency, it's the chemical imbalance already present in the user's brain. This is probably compounded by the severe drinking problems that younger people are developing in your country. England has one of the highest levels of alcoholism per capita in the world due to the lackadasical enforcement of your nation's alcohol "laws" (i.e. under-age drinking, public consumption).
Alcoholism @ an early age + pot smoking @ an early age = psychosis. The introduction of ANY foreign substance to the body of a developing teenager will greatly increase the liklihood of psychotic episodes later in life. Anybody with a shred of common sense can see the natural link.
Show me a study that seperates those who smoked regularly as developing teenagers and those who didn't start smoking until their late teens/early 20s and I'd bet my salary that there will be a significant difference in the occurance of psychosis. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Brian Scott
I smoke some of the strongest in the world on a daily basis and I'm completely fine. It's not the potency, it's the chemical imbalance already present in the user's brain. This is probably compounded by the severe drinking problems that younger people are developing in your country. England has one of the highest levels of alcoholism per capita in the world due to the lackadasical enforcement of your nation's alcohol "laws" (i.e. under-age drinking, public consumption).
Alcoholism @ an early age + pot smoking @ an early age = psychosis. The introduction of ANY foreign substance to the body of a developing teenager will greatly increase the liklihood of psychotic episodes later in life. Anybody with a shred of common sense can see the natural link.
Show me a study that seperates those who smoked regularly as developing teenagers and those who didn't start smoking until their late teens/early 20s and I'd bet my salary that there will be a significant difference in the occurance of psychosis. |
Not English for a start...
He was and is t-total, never drank.
It is his own fault for smoking, correct.
And on this point:
| quote: | | Alcoholism @ an early age + pot smoking @ an early age = psychosis. The introduction of ANY foreign substance to the body of a developing teenager will greatly increase the liklihood of psychotic episodes later in life. Anybody with a shred of common sense can see the natural link. |
Agree (in fact it is my point) |
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| elFreak |
| quote: | Originally posted by BRICK WALL
Not English for a start...
He was and is t-total, never drank.
It is his own fault for smoking, correct.
And on this point:
Agree (in fact it is my point) |
innit. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Not English for a start...
He was and is t-total, never drank.
It is his own fault for smoking, correct.
And on this point:
Agree (in fact it is my point) |
Word yourself better next time. ;) |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Not English for a start...
He was and is t-total, never drank.
It is his own fault for smoking, correct.
And on this point:
Agree (in fact it is my point) |
Sorry, saw that your location is Bristol. Don't know where you were previously.
I find it odd that somebody can abstain from alcohol completely, yet be open to smoking weed. I'm sure it's possible; it's just a foreign concept to me. |
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| Dervish |
Just wasn't into the drinking culture. Don't get me wrong one guy isn't proof, it is a % thing, maybe it would have happened anyway (but would have been much less likely).
But the professionals I spoke to (not just nurses, doctors working in a mental health hospital) said "It's cannabis, you've no idea how many more people we see with this since strong cannabis has become more popular." was something to do with some kind of receptor becoming over sensitive in the brain (with cannabis abuse), they did also say the vulnerability to it is genetic but that (stronger) cannabis caused the trigger in more people these days. As you say Brian heavy alcohol abuse can do it too, but you'd need to be a full time alcoholic to be at the same risk as a relatively moderate smoker (this is all from the pros).
These people had been in the same field for 20-30 years. The same people prescribed the drugs which he now takes which mean he fine (so long as he takes them, and he always has to take them... for ever, took trials of maybe 4-5 different types at different doses to find the correct ones), so I think they know more about it than some Google fiends (not inc. you in that group Brian). |
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| idoru |
| You do know that what you just posted only reiterates exactly what Jay and I have been saying, right? |
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