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Student fires up a joint during his pro-pot legalization essay (pg. 7)
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Just wasn't into the drinking culture. Don't get me wrong one guy isn't proof, it is a % thing, maybe it would have happened anyway (but would have been much less likely).
But the professionals I spoke to (not just nurses, doctors working in a mental health hospital) said "It's cannabis, you've no idea how many more people we see with this since strong cannabis has become more popular." was something to do with some kind of receptor becoming over sensitive in the brain (with cannabis abuse), they did also say the vulnerability to it is genetic but that (stronger) cannabis caused the trigger in more people these days. As you say Brian heavy alcohol abuse can do it too, but you'd need to be a full time alcoholic to be at the same risk as a relatively moderate smoker (this is all from the pros).
These people had been in the same field for 20-30 years. The same people prescribed the drugs which he now takes which mean he fine (so long as he takes them, and he always has to take them... for ever, took trials of maybe 4-5 different types at different doses to find the correct ones), so I think they know more about it than some Google fiends (not inc. you in that group Brian). |
Hrmmm... I'd advise you to stop smoking marijuana cigarettes. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
You do know that what you just posted only reiterates exactly what Jay and I have been saying, right? |
No it does not. What Jay was saying was that he had psychosis. He didn't. He had a vulnerability to the trigger, the cannabis was the trigger.
It's quite different. It is likely if he didn't smoke cannabis he wouldn't have triggered it, i.e. not gone mental.
Further as the pros said "it is the stronger cannabis" (the words of people who know more than you or I) it causes it in more people as it is a stronger trigger. That is people who didn't take it would have been vulnerable to the trigger but not got psychosis... as they didn't take the thing which caused the trigger.
So as I said in the first post, cannabis is not as safe as people think (which people apparently disagreed with...). |
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| elFreak |
| does facepalm lead to psychosis? It is a really strong facepalm. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
No it does not. What Jay was saying was that he had psychosis. He didn't. He had a vulnerability to the trigger, the cannabis was the trigger.
It's quite different. It is likely if he didn't smoke cannabis he wouldn't have triggered it, i.e. not gone mental. |
I guarantee you that that is what Jay meant. You've been around TA long enough to know that when Jay speaks, he usually goes the extra mile in an effort to offend people. Clearly, he succeeded in this thread. However his basic point I'm certain was exactly what I was trying to tell you and, ultimately, what you seem to agree with. |
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| elFreak |
hihi when i was a kid i used to love the popples.
idoru wins. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
No it does not. What Jay was saying was that he had psychosis. He didn't. He had a vulnerability to the trigger, the cannabis was the trigger.
It's quite different. It is likely if he didn't smoke cannabis he wouldn't have triggered it, i.e. not gone mental.
Further as the pros said "it is the stronger cannabis" (the words of people who know more than you or I) it causes it in more people as it is a stronger trigger. That is people who didn't take it would have been vulnerable to the trigger but not got psychosis... as they didn't take the thing which caused the trigger.
So as I said in the first post, cannabis is not as safe as people think (which people apparently disagreed with...). |
Your original post though reflected a view that all people can be affected by this.
Which is not the case. Like you said, it is a trigger of a preexisting condition.
People had beef with your original statement. The posts after that were just a waste of time by all involved.
Next time try to be more clear. People in the COR are far too literal and can NEVER read between the lines. Ever. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
I guarantee you that that is what Jay meant. You've been around TA long enough to know that when Jay speaks, he usually goes the extra mile in an effort to offend people. Clearly, he succeeded in this thread. However his basic point I'm certain was exactly what I was trying to tell you and, ultimately, what you seem to agree with. |
Then maybe you want to tell him to use his words better? :p |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Then maybe you want to tell him to use his words better? :p |
Both of you do. :) See Joss' post above yours. |
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| elFreak |
| i am not the one that has 5 people arguing against me:p |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
Just wasn't into the drinking culture. Don't get me wrong one guy isn't proof, it is a % thing, maybe it would have happened anyway (but would have been much less likely).
But the professionals I spoke to (not just nurses, doctors working in a mental health hospital) said "It's cannabis, you've no idea how many more people we see with this since strong cannabis has become more popular." was something to do with some kind of receptor becoming over sensitive in the brain (with cannabis abuse), they did also say the vulnerability to it is genetic but that (stronger) cannabis caused the trigger in more people these days. As you say Brian heavy alcohol abuse can do it too, but you'd need to be a full time alcoholic to be at the same risk as a relatively moderate smoker (this is all from the pros).
These people had been in the same field for 20-30 years. The same people prescribed the drugs which he now takes which mean he fine (so long as he takes them, and he always has to take them... for ever, took trials of maybe 4-5 different types at different doses to find the correct ones), so I think they know more about it than some Google fiends (not inc. you in that group Brian). |
Seems that cannibis affects brain chemistry much like LSD does. It's not gonna you up unless there is an underlying condition ready to break free. Pot just doesn't have the same stigma as acid.
Of course, if you use too much of either, you're ed regardless. Perhaps these studies have found the "overdose" point of marijuana? I guess you can't overdose in one sitting, but you can screw yourself over time by consistently using. If this is the case, then these studies really haven't proven anything that wasn't assumed by the general public anyway. |
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| Brian Scott |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
i am not the one that has 5 people arguing against me:p |
I am not arguing :) |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Your original post though reflected a view that all people can be affected by this.
Which is not the case. Like you said, it is a trigger of a preexisting condition.
People had beef with your original statement. The posts after that were just a waste of time by all involved.
Next time try to be more clear. People in the COR are far to literal and can NEVER read between the lines. Ever. |
Not a pre-existing condition, a pre-existing vulnerability to a trigger, of a condition.
No-one knows if they have a pre-existing vulnerability to the trigger. So I would say all people should consider it (it can take a long time, it's not just like try it once, if your fine then, you'll be fine forever). |
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