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The Big Thread Part 1 (Interview on PG 12/Song PG16) (pg. 19)
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
It all depends on what you set as your goals.....if his goal was to get something he created on radio then he has succeeded. |
I will agree, on the notion that success is in the eye of the beholder. ***** may call this successful, but I would argue that most people on this board, or anyone with an actual career in the music industry, would deem it hardly an accomplishment, especially considering the nature of 'his' music.
| quote: | | I like to set my goals low so that way I always succeed. As long as my piss doesn't burn every morning and night I feel its a successful day. |
:haha: :crazy: :tongue2 |
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| NickT |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
If you did an interview on commercial radio, based on music that you created, without simply arranging other peoples samples, then yes, I would classify that as a success. |
By your logic Trance music only became a success when it got onto commercial radio if you believe that good for you
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Obviously Radio is radio, but if your measuring success, amateur radio with minimal listeners is not the same as 'commercial' mainstream radio with hundreds of thousands of listeners |
So You judge the quality of something by the amount of people who listen to it?
The greatest things were heard only by a few people then they spread it to others
By listnership Trance music is minimal your going by whats popular or commercial
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
wtf is music law? and i fail to see how, even if their is some sort of universal music law, it subsequently thwarts international copyright law. From what i can tell, your basically asking to get sued. |
If You dont know about music law then I cant help you
I havent sold any song or made money off the recordings
Im just introducing you to music you might listen to ina format that might make you check out the original songs I used
Im not going to tell you the songs so you can download them
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
The song is real, in the sense that other people created the tracks that you PLAGIARIZED samples from without permission. But that finished product does not legally belong to you. And Techno and House music can be plagarized as well, however in order to make money and be successfull, artists spend hours upon hours creating something themselves from scratch, and not stealing entire elements from different producers without permission, piecing it together, and marketing/selling/promoting the final product as theirs. |
I Dont need permission to express myself
I dont want to make money off the recordings Im just showing you what I do
Success & money are 2 different things never confuse the 2 just because you have money doesnt mean your a success
Sometimes a real artist will create some out there that not to many people understand
It doesnt get played on mainstream radio so people like yourself never hear it
I just try to introduce or reintroduce it to you in a format you could understand
Hoping you will try to find the records behind the songs & legally purchase them
Nothing is from scratch Sound already exists you just program how its played
Sound Can not be purchased or owned by someone its a inatomite object |
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| NickT |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
I will agree, on the notion that success is in the eye of the beholder. ***** may call this successful, but I would argue that most people on this board, or anyone with an actual career in the music industry, would deem it hardly an accomplishment, especially considering the nature of 'his' music. |
I do want to connect with as many nice people within the music industry if possible that would be nice
But I dont want a career in the Music Industry Unless it would be something I could do well
I do music because
1)I love Music
2)Respect Music
3)Want to introduce or reintroduce people to music
4)Spread Music
5)Express myself with music
Im sorry that my goals are not to your standards
You like money alot you should become a prostitute |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by *****
By your logic Trance music only became a success when it got onto commercial radio if you believe that good for you |
No, that is not my logic at all. Trance music came to be because people created arrangements themselves that were unique in their own right, not elements stolen from others, pieced together, and passed off as their own.
| quote: | | So You judge the quality of something by the amount of people who listen to it? |
Not at all. You claimed success on the fact that radio is radio, when that is not the case. Everything is not created equal.
| quote: | | The greatest things were heard only by a few people then they spread it to others |
Ummmm....obviously.
| quote: | | By listnership Trance music is minimal your going by whats popular or commercial |
Trance as a genre is a massive massive commodity universally, I would hardly classify it as minimal.
| quote: | | If You dont know about music law then I cant help you |
I googled music law as was unfamiliar to it. And unfortunately, it would deem your work as an infringement on copyright law as well.
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http://www.cba.org/BC/public_media/commercial/264.aspx
From The Canadian BAR Associaton
Do songwriters and musicians have the right of “copyright”?
Yes. In general, original songwriters and musicians have the right of copyright to their music and lyrics. In other words, they have the right to control copying of their work. What this means is that copying current recorded music isn’t legal, unless you have the publisher’s permission. You’re only legally permitted to make one back up copy for your own personal use. It is also not legal to copy sheet music and lyrics.
If you play someone else’s music, do you have to pay a “royalty”?
To play or perform music that’s been created or recorded by another songwriter or musician, you’re legally obligated to pay a fee or royalty. So, if you perform cover pieces with a group in public, you may be surprised to find a musicians’ collective asking to collect royalty payments from you. |
| quote: | | Im not going to tell you the songs so you can download them |
I never asked for them, but thanks.
| quote: | | I Dont need permission to express myself |
When your expression involves the plagiarism of others work, in a public setting, unfortunately you do.
| quote: | | Nothing is from scratch Sound already exists you just program how its played |
Sound yes, not arrangements. Those belong to people and are their property.
| quote: | | Sound Can not be purchased or owned by someone its a inatomite object |
Once again, sound yes, arrangements that you've taken and passed off as your own, No. |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by *****
I do want to connect with as many nice people within the music industry if possible that would be nice
But I dont want a career in the Music Industry Unless it would be something I could do well
I do music because
1)I love Music
2)Respect Music
3)Want to introduce or reintroduce people to music
4)Spread Music
5)Express myself with music
Im sorry that my goals are not to your standards
You like money alot you should become a prostitute |
I never said you should have a career in the music industry, i said that people with a career in the music industry wouldn't deem your interview on university radio as successful, based on the fact that your 'music' infringes copyright law and is plagiarized.
I do not question that you like music, welcome to the club.
What I do question is that the way you promote what you would call 'your' music is essentially illegal and is done without the consent of its owners. |
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| gummybear |
success is pretty subjective..i feel in successful today cuz i got a new printer/scanner/copier/fax combo in my office..wooooo hoo...now i never have to get up and walk around..SUCCESS has been achieved...
ps, it's so ridiculous that people are trying to on this dudes parade..let him be happy..wtf does it really matter to you if he thinks he's achieved something...are you gonna sleep better knowing that you made someone feel bad..sheesh..:rolleyes: |
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| NickT |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
No, that is not my logic at all. Trance music came to be because people created arrangements themselves that were unique in their own right, not elements stolen from others, pieced together, and passed off as their own. |
Trance Music started from sampling as well
It mixed elements of house & techno it later evolved into its own genre
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Not at all. You claimed success on the fact that radio is radio, when that is not the case. Everything is not created equal. |
Radio is radio you dont define radio by listnership you define it by programming
Everything is created equal
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Trance as a genre is a massive massive commodity universally, I would hardly classify it as minimal. |
Trance is not the biggest music by listnership by your logic its not as good as other music then because of the size of the listnership
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
I googled music law as was unfamiliar to it. And unfortunately, it would deem your work as an infringement on copyright law as well |
If you had to google music law you dont know much about it
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Sound yes, not arrangements. Those belong to people and are their property. |
My arrangements dont sound like the other ones anymore I have re arranged them
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Once again, sound yes, arrangements that you've taken and passed off as your own, No. |
I have always said the final product is my own the parts I used are not
The arrangements are now different meaning It is mine |
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| NickT |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
success is pretty subjective..i feel in successful today cuz i got a new printer/scanner/copier/fax combo in my office..wooooo hoo...now i never have to get up and walk around..SUCCESS has been achieved... |
I agree success is subjective
But you shouldnt have to put down one person success & try to trivialize it & belittle it because it doesnt meet your own high standards
We all have different goals & when we reach them we should congradulate each other as long as they are postive |
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| LightsOut |
i give up.
i'm convinced your either an alt just trying to start for the fun of it, or just the most ignorant/oblivious person since sirius black
either way, i wish you luck, even if it does end in a lawsuit from the same artists you claim to promote without consent. |
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| NickT |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
i give up.
i'm convinced your either an alt just trying to start for the fun of it, or just the most ignorant/oblivious person since sirius black
either way, i wish you luck, even if it does end in a lawsuit from the same artists you claim to promote without consent. |
I never started anything with you
You started with me
I have always been respectful & kind towards everyone
If artist sue me because I wnat to play their music differently that tells me about the artist
Thanks for your luck |
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| LKD |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
ps, it's so ridiculous that people are trying to on this dudes parade..let him be happy..wtf does it really matter to you if he thinks he's achieved something...are you gonna sleep better knowing that you made someone feel bad..sheesh..:rolleyes: |
what parade? its a self proclaimed one if anything. |
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| NickT |
| quote: | Originally posted by LKD
what parade? its a self proclaimed one if anything. |
Your mad because a ameteur makes better sounding music than a pro like you
Dude just admit it
Your rude so keep doing your thing see how far rudeness gets you
I checked your songs in your sig I could make them sound better for you they need some work
Maybe Your bad attitude rubs off on your music & makes it sound not as good as it should
If you ever need help with your music you can just ask me |
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