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Ted Kennedy - dead at 77 (pg. 11)
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Ted was sort of a piece of , too. I rather like the direction that this thread took. |
Yeah, he killed a girl, but his brother John F Kennedy died, and he survived a massive plane crash and still helped pass all sorts of bills to help millions of Americans, so while he was a piece of sometimes, overall he was a good guy. Unlike the guy in that picture you just quoted. |
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| lenazi |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I didn't vote.... because I couldn't bring myself to compromise my conservative values for a man who prides himself in trying to be more like a Democrat. |
| quote: | Originally posted by lenazi
the problem with federalists and separatists is that many (not all of course) associate blindly with their hearts without knowing all of the issues and possible repercussions. (kind of like much of the idiocy that can be attributed to some people with both the democratic and republican parties in the united states. they are one or the other for life no matter what the platform, which is retarded imo).
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| They're both still just dumb apes that will be completely forgotten in a thousand years, just like the rest of us. :p |
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| lenazi |
| going home now, but i just wanted you guys to know that my posts get results:p |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Unless we all turn ourselves into immortal robots. :o |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by lenazi
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Uhhh... I'm a conservative first. The person I vote for has to have those attributes. What's the problem? It can be argued that JFK as a democrat was more conservative than McCain and would have got my vote if the 2 were running head to head.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Yeah, he killed a girl, but his brother John F Kennedy died, and he survived a massive plane crash and still helped pass all sorts of bills to help millions of Americans, so while he was a piece of sometimes, overall he was a good guy. |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I'm down with the Americans with Disabilities Act... that's cool. But I can't get over 2 things:
2) The memos that were uncovered on May 14th, 2003 showing how, between 1980-1983 he directed fellow senator John Tunney, throuh Tunney's firm, to meet with KGB General Secretary Yuri Andropov and develop a strategy together on the down-low that would undermine Reagan's Cold War foreign policy and re-election efforts. Andropov died so it never ended up working out... but that is unforgivable. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| or jesuses |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
They're both still just dumb apes that will be completely forgotten in a thousand years, just like the rest of us. :p |
QFT |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
or jesuses |
But robots are cooler. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I'm down with the Americans with Disabilities Act... that's cool. But I can't get over 2 things:
2) The memos that were uncovered on May 14th, 2003 showing how, between 1980-1983 he directed fellow senator John Tunney, throuh Tunney's firm, to meet with KGB General Secretary Yuri Andropov and develop a strategy together on the down-low that would undermine Reagan's Cold War foreign policy and re-election efforts. Andropov died so it never ended up working out... but that is unforgivable. |
But you try to undermine our current president all of the time.. with all of your mean words and stuff. :( |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Uhhh... I'm a conservative first. The person I vote for has to have those attributes. What's the problem? It can be argued that JFK as a democrat was more conservative than McCain and would have got my vote if the 2 were running head to head. |
Yea cause Regean never did anything you know, traitorous, or anything like maybe that was illegal...
I mean, Iran is our friend right, we can sell them weapons... Its cool. Funding terrorist groups in Nicaragua to undermine a democratically elected government... Thats totally cricket! |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
haha... it's amazing that when a Republican is president you credit his success to his predecessor, and when a Democrat is president you attribute his failures also to his predecessor. |
This isn't the case for all presidents, are you serious? This is a very specific case with a president who was widely regarded the biggest mistake this country has ever made, and a new negro president trying to clean up the mess he made.
| quote: | | This is the problem- because there are perceived "good intentions" in liberal social welfare programs, we are supposed to give them a pass when the unintended consequences of liberal policies end up creating a mess. |
Obviously, there are plenty of programs in the Stimulus package that were ill-advised, but a good portion help create jobs and improve the lives of millions of Americans.
| quote: | | But go ahead being convinced that government programs are helping improve education. Tell that to the kids in D.C. who just had their private school vouchers yanked off the table by Obama. |
Boo ing hoo, I bet those kids at least have health care. I went to public schools my whole life, don't even start whining about kids who can't go to their hoity toity private schools, god damn. How about the millions of underpaid teachers and our country's miserable test scores compared to the rest of the world?? You don't think that needs a little help?
| quote: | | And how are liberal policies improving the energy sector right now? I'd like to know. |
Restructuring the auto industry, improving emission standards, and putting more money into solar/wind energy and alternative sources of energy. That all helps. |
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