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Why is there so much hate on music forums? (pg. 7)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
anything more than about 10g of whey (that is 1/3 to 1/4 a normal shake scoop) will not get used. |
Source?
[Edit: I thought that lactalbumin (whey) protein was easily assimilated by the body, as it is what's given to patients on a protein-sparing modified fast diet. The diet basically consists of four "shakes" per day with vitamins, some sugar, essential fatty acids, and about 60g protein per shake. It has been proven to spare muscle even at quite a high caloric deficit, so it seems the protein must be getting used somehow. See this study, for example.] |
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| parafrNalia |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Source?
[Edit: I thought that lactalbumin (whey) protein was easily assimilated by the body, as it is what's given to patients on a protein-sparing modified fast diet. The diet basically consists of four "shakes" per day with vitamins, some sugar, essential fatty acids, and about 60g protein per shake. It has been proven to spare muscle even at quite a high caloric deficit, so it seems the protein must be getting used somehow. See this study, for example.] |
Do you know something about everything?
(No, I am not being sarcastic) |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Not really, my interests are actually fairly narrow: music and production, science, computers, nutrition and health. Although I dabble in other stuff, too. But if you asked me how to fix a problem with your car or air conditioner, for example, or even about most world politics, I would be pretty clueless. :-) |
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| parafrNalia |
| lol, I'm about the same in that regard. Very little interest in most things, but very passionate about a few. likewise with the car or air conditioner. |
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| Richard Butler |
As an ex body builder I switched to mixed martial arts 10 years ago and am now much fitter and stronger especially in the core. I dont use weights so much as I prefer things like slow pressups, pulls - ups (say 50 pull up's in 5 minutes or 6 x 6 slow pressups with each group of 6 using different hand positions and no break at all between the 6 sets) or crawling up and down stairs, or crawling fast round the garden on hands and feet, as you use more muscles and tendons than you do with just lifting weights.
When I was bigger, I tired too quickly in MMA sparring, especially grappling and wrestling - unless you are very fit you gas out real quick and no gas = lose fight for sure.
On the other hand when we get a marathon runner or triathlete come along to try, they have a different sort of fitness not at all suited to relatively quick high power fight bursts. They are usualy surprised as they just had this notion they were super fit, and a little bit of sparring would not be a fitness issue. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Yep, fitness is pretty domain-specific. Lance Armstrong ran a marathon, for example, and did well but not awesome. But he could destroy pretty much anyone in a bicycle race that took the same amount of time. :-) |
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| mfitterer1 |
Only on TA!!!
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Only on TA!!!
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this. LOL |
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| DJ RANN |
WTF? This again? Only on TA! and it's not the first time.
(Does anyone remember the "pictures of you home studio" thread where for like 4 pages it turned in to bodybuilding nutrition advice) lol. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Source?
[Edit: I thought that lactalbumin (whey) protein was easily assimilated by the body, as it is what's given to patients on a protein-sparing modified fast diet. The diet basically consists of four "shakes" per day with vitamins, some sugar, essential fatty acids, and about 60g protein per shake. It has been proven to spare muscle even at quite a high caloric deficit, so it seems the protein must be getting used somehow. See this study, for example.] |
your body will synthesize glycogen out of protein. however, this is much harder on your renal system than using carbohydrates as your primary fuel source. this is my point. you could eat nothing but protein all day, but your kidneys would take an absolute pounding.
i expect organ stress was not a concern in a short term fasting diet, where the priority was sparing muscle. ;)
a bodybuilder, or even the average person, is not on a short term fast diet - so many variables are ignored and this study is completely irrelevant. this is just another example of an unrelated scientific study being used to support some bodybuilding nonsense. did you know the popularity of glutamine is largely based on studies of use with burns victims? the entire supplement industry is based on pseudo-scientific crap like this and people lap it up like drones.
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I thought that lactalbumin (whey) protein was easily assimilated by the body |
this is exactly what i am talking about. think of your protein levels as a buffer. let's say it has been 3 hours since your last meal and your protein buffer is in a 30g deficit. if you go and eat 30g in a highly bio-available and simplified form, how much of that do you think is actually going to get used? whey is extremely quickly absorbed and your body will not have time to make use of a lot of it. on the other hand, cottage cheese (casein protein) takes about 6 hours to digest and your body would use far more of it for actually healing and not just as an energy source. if you divided that 30g shake into 3x1 hour intervals, your body would make far better use of it and not just stress your organs.
moral of the story:
- protein for healing
- fat and carbs for energy
any of these in excess will be bad for you. balance is everything and, personally, i think the typical 40/40/20 macro ratio is a load of bull propagated by the supplement industry and just general bodybuilding doofus-ness. work out how much protein that actually equates to and you will never find a study supporting that much in athletes. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Do you have a source for your claim that more than 1.0 g / kg protein is bad for your kidneys?
My point in quoting the PSMF study was not to recommend that diet or that kind of protein intake to people, but to point out that lactalbumin shakes are sufficient to, at the very least, maintain muscle mass. They aren't just getting flushed out through the urine or all burned off through gluconeogenesis. :-)
Btw, I am not a bodybuilder who believes whatever I see written on supplement-selling sites, I am just interested in nutrition for health reasons mainly. |
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| DJ RANN |
Bodybuilding is so homoerotic. I can't help but think that guys that spend that much time staring at each other and thinking about the male physique need to just admit they love the (and there's nothing wrong with that of course).
Discucssing male nutrition is like discussing berets IMO - you have to be french to pull it off, otherwise it's just gay.
And what the does nutrition have to do with this thread or even forum....
...or are you two just proving the point that we really need a mod? |
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