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PS2 Vs. XBOX ?? (pg. 4)
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| nate735 |
| quote: | Originally posted by grafal
PS2 Has better games as of now, but they have no long term plans for expansion like on-line gaming and things like that. Yes, SONY does have the on-line play capibility but you have to buy an external network card (USB) and an external hard drive (USB)...that's the only way you can play on-line.
On the other hand, the XBOX has a built in hard drive and network card and multiplayer is already starting with some of their games. Let XOBX catch up in the games department and XBOX will own PS2, just because of PS2's lack of the multiplayer experience.
BTW, XBOX can play DVD movies...you just have to buy a DVD playback Kit. |
I thought i was the only person here that liked Xbox. lol :stongue: |
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| k.k.d. |
indeed... ;)
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Aabomonation?? that might be your opinion since me and everyone i know love the Xbox controller. Let fastmp3 try them booth out and see what he likes. Since everyone has their own opinion.
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it's spelled "abomination" ;) (yes yes, I'm an ass)
But seriously, if you have 10 inch palms, it might be good... I take your friends also have veeeery big hands, ne? :p
| quote: | | Are you saying that the ps2's hardware is hot by todays standards? What are you backing that up with? |
Please, show me WHERE did I say that PS2 graphics are BETTER? I think I made myself clear that PS2 graphics sucked, due (mostly) to LIMITED GPU MEMORY. Reading problems, my friend?
| quote: | | Xbox's hardware has everything you need with its hard drive, ethernet port and hdtv compatability. Hdtv is the future of tv's and only xbox supports it. |
umm.. my digital cable hub also has an ieee1394 (aka "Firewire") and a RJ-45 card (aka "Ethernet")... It supports HTDV and all.. Does it make the ultimate in entertainment? No... Remember dude, features != quality.
| quote: | | Ever play ps2 on a widescreen? Its pathetic the reseloution is all stretched out. With Xbox you can use ANY tv you want and still get the best quality. |
I made myself clear in my post, I don't use consoles, since their possibilities are pale compaired to PC. Frankly, most of PS2 games till use 320x200 resolution that PS1 featured, due to the aforementioned GPU limitations.. Somme go up to 8x6 res though. Yes, it is ugly on HDTV, but who cares? Games are about fun, not awe.
| quote: | | Have you had any problems with it's modified Windows CE software? The Xbox can boot up in under 6 seconds, while that ps2 is lagging. |
In fact I do.. I'm not particularly fond of Microsoft. At least on PS2 you can buy the keyboard and harddrive add on, and install the special version of Linux Sony released... Useless for most of you, but sounds FUN to me... Unfortunatelly, XBOX drive that you vent so hard is kinda limited for stocking "patches" and "savegames"... And speaking of patches, do you realise that XBOX is destroying the idea that a console (single base machine) is a stable, flawless platform?? Bet you didn't think of that, have you?
| quote: | | The load times on the ps2 are a joke. The Xbox uses it Hard drive to load the software. There is hardly any loading through out the game. |
possibly.. i never used / approached / played on neither of those, and can't really argue here.
| quote: | | Please tell me how the Xbox is a waste of money Todays computer games dont look half as good as Xbox. |
That's your opinion.. I can't help but to notic eyou empathize AGAIN on the word LOOK... How about instead of wasting time an dmoney on games you go to the movies, if you simply want to LOOK? ;)
| quote: | | Since developers have to make a computer game work on ALL kinds of computers. That being said you Never get full potentail out of computer games. |
No, really? Have you realised that since of.. oh, maybe 5 years, developpers don't develop for "ALL KIND OF COMPUTERS", but rather use dedicated API specifications (such as OpenGL, DirectX, etc) to develop compilent games? Eveything else (including compatibility) is handled by the drivers and OS. Back in the day it wasn't so, but then again, many things were different.
Yes, you don't get the full potential of hardware, since the code is not optimized as it is in a console game (specs dont vary, like you said), but don't you forget that's the principle of any console, not only XBOX? I mean, look at PSX and FF8/FF9... Do you think a i486 @ 33 Mhz with 2 megs of RAM (of which 1 is for video memory) would run it???
| quote: | | Xbox has a fixed hardwarwe were developers can use all of the xbox's potential. Play Halo and you will see what i mean. |
Funny, from what I heard that Halo crashes (or crashed.. dunno if they patched it) quite often upon its launch.. Speaking of it, do you realise that Halo is a Mac game from back 1998, that was bought (with Bungie) and killed off my Microsoft? It was hot when Steve Jobs presented it at AE98, but apparently, only a handfew found it amusing for more than 5 hours.
| quote: | | Can you back this statment up?? I would really like to see some proof here. |
You got it, my friend... Enjoy flaming me with non-constructive arguments ;)
hehe jk :) |
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| nate735 |
| quote: | Originally posted by k.k.d.
it's spelled "abomination" ;) (yes yes, I'm an ass)
But seriously, if you have 10 inch palms, it might be good... I take your friends also have veeeery big hands, ne? :p
In fact I do.. I'm not particularly fond of Microsoft. At least on PS2 you can buy the keyboard and harddrive add on, and install the special version of Linux Sony released... Useless for most of you, but sounds FUN to me... Unfortunatelly, XBOX drive that you vent so hard is kinda limited for stocking "patches" and "savegames"... And speaking of patches, do you realise that XBOX is destroying the idea that a console (single base machine) is a stable, flawless platform?? Bet you didn't think of that, have you?
Yes, you don't get the full potential of hardware, since the code is not optimized as it is in a console game (specs dont vary, like you said), but don't you forget that's the principle of any console, not only XBOX? I mean, look at PSX and FF8/FF9... Do you think a i486 @ 33 Mhz with 2 megs of RAM (of which 1 is for video memory) would run it???
Funny, from what I heard that Halo crashes (or crashed.. dunno if they patched it) quite often upon its launch.. Speaking of it, do you realise that Halo is a Mac game from back 1998, that was bought (with Bungie) and killed off my Microsoft? It was hot when Steve Jobs presented it at AE98, but apparently, only a handfew found it amusing for more than 5 hours.
Please, show me WHERE did I say that PS2 graphics are BETTER? I think I made myself clear that PS2 graphics sucked, due (mostly) to LIMITED GPU MEMORY. Reading problems, my friend?
You got it, my friend... Enjoy flaming me with non-constructive arguments ;)
hehe jk :) |
Im getting tired :( :(
Again my mistake i didnt do my spell check on that one :haha:
You know what they say about big hands :toothless
You mentioned the add on hard drive for ps2 how pathetic is that? The ps2 originnaly costs 300.00 then for onlne play you need an ethernet adapter then a addon hard drive. :conf: What was sony thinking this will cost you over 500.00 just to get your ps2 to play online, while Xbox has it built in. I have no idea what you are talking about here, maybe you can explain this a little better.
When did i say that specs vary on a console i was refering to the pc if you had trouble understanding my post i appologize.
Can you show me where you heard that halo crashes, i've had the game since nov 2001 and never had a problem with it since. :) And yes i knew that halo was coming ou for mac, that was until Microsoft bought Bungie (great move by ms) You can watch the original footage for the mac version Here Its preety cool.
It might get booring after you beat the game but so dose any other game. But since halo has sytem link play yoyu can play it online via gamespy and it will Never get booring imo.
You might have reading problems because i asked a queshtion
| quote: | | Are you saying that the ps2's hardware is hot by todays standards? |
all you had to do was say no
Your turn....:toocool: |
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| Blue. |
| Well I don't wanna start a flamewar. My personal opinion would be that I like PS2 but then again it's my opinion and I'm sure that Xbox has it's own features that PS2 doesn't (Halo kicks some major ass, multiplayer, better DVD capability, better graphics and sound, etc.). I like Xbox, it's not like I'm pure PS2, since I have neither I play both with my friends and I do admit that both systems have their drawbacks and features. Basically it depends on what your looking for. |
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| k.k.d. |
| quote: | You mentioned the add on hard drive for ps2 how pathetic is that? The ps2 originnaly costs 300.00 then for onlne play you need an ethernet adapter then a addon hard drive. What was sony thinking this will cost you over 500.00 just to get your ps2 to play online, while Xbox has it built in. I have no idea what you are talking about here, maybe you can explain this a little better.
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I mentioned a "hard drive kit" for Linux-on-PS2 use.. It's different... Actually, i see no particular reason for a console to have a hard drive... Sure, it may be more practical than memory cards or whatever they call them,but for patch/addons, I kinda expect my console games to be 100% complete, out of the box... :)
I mean, really, a console is not a computer... Paying 30 bucks a month for a dedicated isp to play an online game via console is... well.. umm.. so "unnatural", and from my personal perspective, even stupid. ;(
| quote: | | When did i say that specs vary on a console i was refering to the pc if you had trouble understanding my post i appologize. |
Sigh.. again you read what is NOT there, my friend. I never mentioned about specs varying from consoles. I was making a point on how it is erronous to say PC game developpement must (as of today) to relly on many configurations: everything is handled by abstract layers that are called APIs.. Think of them as of an OS on a OS. :p
| quote: | | Can you show me where you heard that halo crashes, i've had the game since nov 2001 and never had a problem with it since. And yes i knew that halo was coming ou for mac, that was until Microsoft bought Bungie (great move by ms) You can watch the original footage for the mac version Here Its preety cool. |
I've heard reports, and read it on some game news website.. I can't dig out information to support my argument though: im too lazy to search.
| quote: | | You might have reading problems because i asked a queshtion |
| quote: | | all you had to do is to say no |
Hardly a question it was, for you went on for a paragraph to show "how wrong I am". Moo?
Anyway.. another argument I want to add to Console vs PC matter, though, is that if playing game son PC at 640x480, then yes, the XBOX will look much better... But did you ever to playing a recent (and I mean recent, not a 5 year old Unreal) game at 1600x1200x32, max details on? Amazing, how console starts to look sucky... Granted, you can argue that it takes some modern hardware to run such resolutions, but I can provide you with the fact that at the long run, you will spend more $ on xbox games (which are more expensive than their PC contreparts, and are harder to pirate) than on a descent PC system (which are kinda cheap nowadays)... |
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| TeKnoHe@d2025 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nate735
Grand Theft Auto 3 will be coming out next year and so will Devil May Cry. They will just look better on Xbox.
Other XBox games other then halo and Jet Set Radio Future. :toocool: Lets see, Moto GP, NFL Fever, Metal Gear Solid X,Rainbox six Rouge Spear Raven Shield, DOA 3, Morrowming, Project EGO, Brute Force, Rallisport Challenge, Enclave. The list goes ON AND ON......... You have only heard about Halo because thats pprobably all you ever played. You can have Xbox and Halo and still be happy. :) Now its your turn to name a fuew games for ps2 :stongue: |
Wrong you are my friend, Sony has bought all the rights to GTA until 2004...which means that no other console gets a GTA game until that time. Sure the Rogue Spear game looks good but it plays nowhere near as good as the PC version. DOA3 looks nice once again but I don't like the control, it's not fluid enough. |
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| trancaholic |
Here are the Playstation 2 sales figures. Seems like they've passed some 30 million units at this time. I just thought both sides should be represented here - draw your own conclusions of the material.
Btw. why is on-line gaming so important for your console ventures? Most people I know with consoles, use them for single player games, and for fighting their mates in one on one games!?! |
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| nate735 |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Here are the Playstation 2 sales figures. Seems like they've passed some 30 million units at this time. I just thought both sides should be represented here - draw your own conclusions of the material.
Btw. why is on-line gaming so important for your console ventures? Most people I know with consoles, use them for single player games, and for fighting their mates in one on one games!?! |
Online gaming is very important to me because you get all diffrent kinds of skill and it is always better then playing a computer since a real person is unredictable. Online gamin is the future f gaming machines.
| quote: | | Well I don't wanna start a flamewar. My personal opinion would be that I like PS2 but then again it's my opinion and I'm sure that Xbox has it's own features that PS2 doesn't (Halo kicks some major ass, multiplayer, better DVD capability, better graphics and sound, etc.). I like Xbox, it's not like I'm pure PS2, since I have neither I play both with my friends and I do admit that both systems have their drawbacks and features. Basically it depends on what your looking for. |
Exactly... :)
| quote: | | Wrong you are my friend, Sony has bought all the rights to GTA until 2004...which means that no other console gets a GTA game until that time. Sure the Rogue Spear game looks good but it plays nowhere near as good as the PC version. DOA3 looks nice once again but I don't like the control, it's not fluid enough. |
My mistake, i thought it was comng out next year. |
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| Blue. |
| It really doesn't matter what anyone says because like I said before there are people on both sides of the fence. I suggest we don't start a flame war and instead simply just list different facts about the system. And maybe just maybe try and realazie where other people are coming from with their opinions and keep open mined, when listing info about the system you can also list the drawbacks sicne we are trying to help him make a decision. |
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| nate735 |
| quote: | Originally posted by trance_n_dance
It really doesn't matter what anyone says because like I said before there are people on both sides of the fence. I suggest we don't start a flame war and instead simply just list different facts about the system. And maybe just maybe try and realazie where other people are coming from with their opinions and keep open mined, when listing info about the system you can also list the drawbacks sicne we are trying to help him make a decision. |
I agree 100% |
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| nate735 |
| quote: | Originally posted by k.k.d.
I mean, really, a console is not a computer... Paying 30 bucks a month for a dedicated isp to play an online game via console is... well.. umm.. so "unnatural", and from my personal perspective, even stupid. ;(
I've heard reports, and read it on some game news website.. I can't dig out information to support my argument though: im too lazy to search.
Hardly a question it was, for you went on for a paragraph to show "how wrong I am". Moo?
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You can play the Xbox online free via gamesyp (www.gamespy.com)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I gotta back up my statments incase it was a queshtion :) moo |
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| CortexBomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by nate735
I see no reason why the games shouldn't play the same (on different systems) .Whicg game was it that you played on xbox that was lagging??
Ig grapgics don't mean anything then you will still be happy with your Nintendo NES. Graphics is what makes a game reality. Face it graphics MEAN alot.
Now its your turn to name a fuew games for ps2 :stongue: |
A quick interjection here: Games are developed seperately for different systems...that's why. This reminds me of the original John Madden Football game...the Genesis one had screaming speed and great gameplay, as such it fueled sales of the Genesis in the early days. The SNES one came out a couple of years later and it *did* look nicer but the gameplay was ass. Just because a game has the same name doesn't mean it'll play anything like it's counterpart. I used to be a huge fighting game fan and you'd be surprised at how much difference there is between consoles, your entire style of play had to alter for games like MK2 and the Street Fighter series.
On the graphics thing: I obviously can't speak for everyone on here but graphics really mean diddly to me at this point. I've been playing games since the good ol Atari 2600 so anything modern is amazing IMHO. I still enjoy my NES more than anything (games like Castlevania III, Metroid, Kid Icarus & Klax *own* modern stuff IMHO) but from a pure games standpoint the X Box is really sitting in no man's land.
Halo, the killer app, came out on launch day and the proverbial well dried up shortly thereafter. Trust me, if X Box had good games I'd pick one up...it's just that it hasn't bowled me over yet.
Meanwhile you've got PS2 games like:
- Grand Theft Auto III (with expansion pack coming in October...)
- Gran Turismo III
- MGS 2
- NHL 2002 (probably the best modern hockey title)
- Final Fantasy X
- the forthcoming Xenosaga
and so on, and so on.
PS2 has more AAA titles than the other systems *by far* and the Gamecube is starting to increase it's lead on the MS product as well with solid stuff like the new Resident Evil redux, Metroid Prime, Mario Sunshine and the new Zelda title.
I can tell you from experience that the system with the nicest graphics is *never* guranteed to be good, I owned a 3DO :D which was a 32 bit *monster* (also with a HD) in the era of 16 bitters but it suffered an early death for the same reason that I think the X Box will, it had a piss poor selection of games.
The sales figures back me up on this as well, the PS2 has sold *by far* the most boxes while the Gamecube is solidly ahead of the X Box as well; and should continue to be since they're *still* cheaper than both of their competitors and have a slew of AAA games coming out this year. |
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