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EDM Theory #1 – Let’s Talk About Major & Minor Scales! (pg. 4)
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| Waza |
Minor is Sad
Major is Happy
The End :D |
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| Mad for Brad |
| scales have feelings ? |
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| Waza |
| No Brad scales do not have feelings. It's the way Humans can Interpret minor with sad and major with with happy. Yes this is not the case in all forms but it is there none the less. |
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| Mad for Brad |
What exactly are you talking about when you say minor and major. Scales ? Modes ? A minor scale, in a major context will have none of the cognitive response we associate with songs in a minor key. Scales alone do not dictate whether something is in a minor or major key and since this thread was about scales, I found the minor > major comment strange.
Can you even define when a song is in major or minor ? What are the requirements ? The answer is not as simple as you think. Every trance song that doesn't have the dominant chord pushing to the minor tonic which includes most trance songs which people think are in minor can be analyzed in a major mode. |
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| Kysora |
It's just the tonality, whether or not the majority of the progression relies on minor or major chords.
Nobody's saying that every single song has to be either major or minor, but you can't say that there aren't songs that are undeniably one or the other. |
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| Mad for Brad |
Yes you can. Key is a point of few of how chords interrelate. You can account for every chord motion that occurs in the minor mode using the major mode as the key. This is especially true for trance where you rarely have a dominant chord therefore the applied dominant to vi is not required. Occam's razor would typically favour a system that represents more with less which is would indeed favour a major representation of most trance tracks.
Show me a song that is undeniably minor and I will give you its major analysis. People need to stop thinking about keys like they are laws of nature. They are systems of representation. Frameworks humans create to frame order and help parse chords. You can easily do this with the major mode for almost any track you think is in minor. |
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| 19503 |
the fact that the second note is one note lower on a minor chord makes it better imo. also this is what makes it different from major.
have u ever touched a piano ever? or are we talking about different things? what do you mean about scale really? do-re-mi-fa-so???
btw u want songs that are in pure minor to "analize"? check out the 27 tracks in my sig. :D theres not a single one in major in there. |
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| Mad for Brad |
they can be depending on how you analyze them. Thats the point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWTqAaWskCo
listen to that. Most theorists would say it is in a major key, some would not but the point is that there is no definite answer. It uses chords found in 90% of trance songs. Without a dominant push to a minor tonic, you really can't indefinitely say it is in minor. Instead , you keep getting an evaded cadence to vi which eventually gets resolved in the refrain. As Walter Piston has said , you don't need resolution to realize a key so you can keep getting stuck in this circle, which trance does and it would still to most that know about music be considered major. Tonality is really a matter of opinion. There are no laws of nature and there is definitely no litmus test to tell whether a song is in minor or major.
the reason I'm mentioning this is that someone said minor > major. Any minor tune can be analyzed in a major setting an all chord functionality which I suppose western tonality seems to follow are there. Especially with trance's tendencies to use IV V vi , the major key seems much more appropriate as you have the occurrence of cadences thus functional movement. |
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| 19503 |
| this is way over my head. that prince song sounded utter to me lol. that is what i call anti-melody and it doesnt "awake" any emotions in me at all, what so ever. |
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| Mad for Brad |
Whether you like the song is irrelevant albeit sad. Its prince for sakes. The chords in the verse are arguably in a minor mode but as the refrain hits, you realize , it resolves in a major setting, the only dominant resolution of the track which to most people would indicate the real key. I hate using the term real but I would consider the term favoured.
The problem with your tracks is that there is no harmonic movement therefore the tracks aren't really in a key. They hover on a minor chord. That could be the ii in major , or the vi. You wouldn't really call that a minor key. The use of a minor chord is irrelevant in determining its key.
if you are going to use western tonality theory in an argument, it does you a disservice not knowing the actual definition of the terms you are arguing. |
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| 19503 |
i dont really understand what ur saying but i know that my own tracks are mostly in C minor (chord that is) but again as i really rarely press a whole chord at the same time its maybe more correct what your actually saying, that theyr only "hoovering" in a minor state.
| quote: | Originally posted by Waza
Minor is Sad
Major is Happy
The End :D |
this i understand though. I have some friends who where really impressed when i could say every chord he played on a guitar whether it was minor or major instantly, 100% correct. and thats the sad/happy part. its not a feeling its truth as anything imo. this is probably easy for all of us here but to people most they have no idea whether a track is "sad" or "happy". |
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| Mad for Brad |
the major mode has more minor chords
the minor mode has more major chords
(the same if the natural minor mode is used but again, all these rules of theory, involving chord motion and the like have to do with harmonic minor mode.)
so just saying you are using a minor or major chord means nothing in terms of the key. You are using a minor chord. Does a single chord evoke feelings of happiness or sadness ? I would first say this comparison way to simple and prone to culture. I would also say they don't evoke much as they are so damn static. |
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