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What is suicide? (pg. 5)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| I told you - it's a drape! A drape! |
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| Silky Johnson |
| You really put the rape in drape, Hal. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
That's nice. Been to visit your cousins in the Emerald City recently? |
You wouldn't like it there, they don't let you marry your cousins |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
You really put the rape in drape, Hal. |
Worry not - a spot of Shout takes it right on out again. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
You wouldn't like it there, they don't let you marry your cousins |
:stongue: :stongue: |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
You wouldn't like it there, they don't let you marry your cousins |
That's disgusting. You know I don't approve of marriage! |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Worry not - a spot of Shout takes it right on out again. |
Well like I always say: if nobody's shouting, you're doing it wrong. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
That's disgusting. You know I don't approve of marriage! |
:stongue: :stongue: |
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| idoru |
| Four and five are not suicide. Sure, the potential for death was always there, but the odds were significantly lower than the rest and I don't feel that either person felt as though they would die. Everybody else knew that death was highly likely, if not impossible to avoid. |
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| Domesticated |
In response to the original post, the difference is that Jesus and Socrates were martyrs. I'm surprised no one said this earlier.
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
I always used to say to myself why do people commit suicide wtf? Atleast try and rob a bank or something! Changed my mind completely when I had to go through depression at one point. You don't give a about robbing the bank because money or anything else wont help. Only thing that will help is time and thats not even certain, you could either get better or worse. The only comforting thing for me is I know that I wasn't the same 20, 15, 10 , 5 and 1 year ago so there is always a chance that things will change for the best. |
I wish more people understood this, but then again, depression is very hard to understand if you've never had it. It's amazing; your life is the most important thing you have, and the thought of ending it becomes as trivial as deciding what to have for breakfast.
| quote: | Originally posted by Cpt.Cocaine
I think culture plays a big part in why people in industrialized societies are so miserable, and why we have more suicide than anywhere else.
I find that the less I watch TV, listen to radio or keep up with mainstream culture, the happier I am. |
I don't think it's so much the effect of the material itself, I think it's the withdrawn, lethargic lifestyle that it promotes. If you aren't doing these activities, you're probably socialising, exercising or doing something creative. Granted, there are still books and things of that nature.
I think that industrialised countries have higher suicide due to the cold nature of large cities, coupled with what I said above. I don't have any statistics, but I'm certain that suicide rates in country towns would be lower than cities, simply because of the greater pressure to get involved in the community and socialise. In a city you can become withdrawn and think too much. I certainly think that this was what precipitated the bout of depression I had between about 18 and 21.
I had just finished school, quit what had been a very serious running career, and was playing a lot of computer games by myself. I spent a lot of time indoors, went from running 5k a day to nothing, went to clubs four nights a week, ate like , slept all day and hardly saw the sun. All this added up.
There's a book called Freakonomics which discusses suicide as a fad, citing a particular Pacific island where it became cool for boys to commit the act in their early teens. The statistics were alarming but it's an interesting read. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| I recall a segment in Howard Bloom's The Lucifer Principle where he details the sudden downturn in morale amongst the Japanese after the surrender (and suicide?) of their emperor/government at the end of WW2 - how suicide rates almost instantly skyrocketed. Bloom's point was in a sort of collective reaction in humans, especially in cellular cultures united by strong emotional events such as war, nationalism, etc. But the evidence is quite compelling that humans, as multi-cellular organisms, exhibit many of the same symptoms as individual cells - that is why I brought up apoptosis earlier. The sudden and utter void of hope compels people to kill themselves every day - it's why businessmen can bring themselves to leap out of windows after major financial catastrophes, why widows might leap off of cliffs, etc. Calling it melancholy is a gross understatement - it's as though they feel they have no other option whatsoever, not just the contemplation of what the world would be without them, but the utter realization that there is an immediate exit to the crestfallen awareness of failure. |
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| Tranceporter99 |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
i make a distinction between dying for a cause/principle and dying because you hate your life. |
I am taking Philosophy 336 "Death, Dying, and the Quality of Life" this semester. We just took a test on the stuff we read about suicide, and most of the philosophers I read would agree with this. But I also might have failed the test, so don't quote me on that.;)
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
In response to the original post, the difference is that Jesus and Socrates were martyrs. I'm surprised no one said this earlier. |
Agreed.
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
I wish more people understood this, but then again, depression is very hard to understand if you've never had it. It's amazing; your life is the most important thing you have, and the thought of ending it becomes as trivial as deciding what to have for breakfast. |
Agreed again. I have been seriously depressed before (if someone would have given me a loaded gun, I may not be here) and that all is true. It is apathy in its purest.
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
I don't think it's so much the effect of the material itself, I think it's the withdrawn, lethargic lifestyle that it promotes. If you aren't doing these activities, you're probably socialising, exercising or doing something creative. Granted, there are still books and things of that nature. |
Also agree with this. Being healthy and active is HUGE for happiness/contentment. Helping others or contributing positively to a community has also shown to greatly increase overall satisfaction and happiness. |
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