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What is suicide? (pg. 8)
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| Adamo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
You're the expert. |
Thanks. |
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| Magadansky |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adamo
being politically correct, suicide is the way out of dealing with life...a truly selfish and despicable act...and whther you succeed or are unsuccessful in trying to kill yourself you are still a failure in life. |
I've always wondered what does it mean "unsuccessful attempt to kill his own life"? If you want to kill yourself at least don't be a in your last minutes and pull the trigger with the gun pointing at your head.
On topic:
Those cases are not clear suicides. Many of the people there either risked (but weren't sure to die) or sacrificed which is not the same thing. Only the widow ended her life entirely on her own so I vote this.
And to add something to the other topic. I am anti-suicide and even when I am sad, depressed or whatever I never had a single thought about ending my life. When you are feeling down and you can't find hope in yourself, you must search it in others who can give it to you. Family, close friends, girl/boyfriend or even professional help. But there is almost always a choice and a chance to move on. Most vital anti-depression (and anti-suicidal in that matter) skill is to manage to stay ACTIVE. Passivity leads to depressive notions. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adamo
being politically correct, suicide is the way out of dealing with life...a truly selfish and despicable act...and whther you succeed or are unsuccessful in trying to kill yourself you are still a failure in life. |
Why is suicide selfish and despicable?
Perhaps you think it's selfish because it robs your family and friends of the joy of your presence? Rather, I would argue that keeping someone alive against their will is a restriction on their freedom and tantamount to imprisonment. You'd be holding your own feelings above theirs.
Suicide is really only selfish in the respect that if you had children they could be left without a parent, or because of the effort involved in organising a funeral, et cetera. |
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| Jackson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adamo
being politically correct, suicide is the way out of dealing with life...a truly selfish and despicable act...and whther you succeed or are unsuccessful in trying to kill yourself you are still a failure in life. |
So when I tried to commit suicide but came out the other side being stronger and happier than ever makes me a failure in life? |
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| Lomeli |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adamo
being politically correct, suicide is the way out of dealing with life...a truly selfish and despicable act...and whther you succeed or are unsuccessful in trying to kill yourself you are still a failure in life. |
What if I felt that I had lived a full and meaningful life, and am tired of this physical existence and ready to move on?
My grandfather is dying of cancer at the moment. He's 89 years old, and has lived a long and healthy life until now. He's been doing Chemotherapy for the past 6 months now, but just this past week he said in these exact words, "enough is enough, i think it's time..."
He's now on hospice, waiting for the inevitable. There is great courage in that, and I respect his decision. When the time comes he will no longer be in pain. He's not necessarily ending his life, instead he's allowing nature to take it's course. |
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| sweetcaroline |
Many years ago I was diagnosed with a form of depression in which 10-15% who have it commit suicide. That's a pretty high number. Depression has a high mortality rate and the treatments don't work for everyone. They work incompletely for me. I consider myself lucky that I've never been seriously suicidal. But I admit that I think about it from time to time.
I have a running list in my mind of people I know (or famous people) that have committed suicide. I think of them as casualties of society, past abuse, or of chemical imbalance. I put people who OD on that list too. The list is pretty damned long.
Remember, Dark Angel is on that list.
I knew a guy who was depressed and would talk often of suicide. He was in therapy and on meds. He seemed to be better, but killed himself. The ironic thing is people often kill themselves when they begin to feel better. They kill themselves then because they have the strength to carry out their plans.
I wish there was an easy answer to solve/cure suicide.
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lomeli
What if I felt that I had lived a full and meaningful life, and am tired of this physical existence and ready to move on?
My grandfather is dying of cancer at the moment. He's 89 years old, and has lived a long and healthy life until now. He's been doing Chemotherapy for the past 6 months now, but just this past week he said in these exact words, "enough is enough, i think it's time..."
He's now on hospice, waiting for the inevitable. There is great courage in that, and I respect his decision. When the time comes he will no longer be in pain. He's not necessarily ending his life, instead he's allowing nature to take it's course. |
Personally I think a distinction needs to be made between euthanasia and what others regard as regular suicide, but that's just my opinion. The circumstances are different. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Personally I think a distinction needs to be made between euthanasia and what others regard as regular suicide, but that's just my opinion. The circumstances are different. |
You mean, plot them along a suicide continuum? :o |
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| MeLLyMeL |
| quote: | Originally posted by sweetcaroline
I knew a guy who was depressed and would talk often of suicide. He was in therapy and on meds. He seemed to be better, but killed himself. The ironic thing is people often kill themselves when they begin to feel better. They kill themselves then because they have the strength to carry out their plans.
I wish there was an easy answer to solve/cure suicide.
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This is what I think happened to Raul. What kills me is I often wonder - (and maybe I am wrong for reading into something that is not really there...) but, the last 2-3 times I saw him... I just couldn't help but NOW wonder if he knew back then he was going to kill himself.
Might be stupid but I just have a small feeling he knew he would do this. I love him to death and I still cry about him. I miss him so much and when his family found his suicide note - weeks later - my name was on it first.
He really seemed to be so well but all he did was just hide his true feelings. I never thought he would attempt suicide again and actually succeed. His thoughts had completely changed and he seemed so much happier. I also just thought he loved me enough to NOT actually go through with this. When I found out he put my name first - I didn't really want to know what the actual note said word for word. I got a summary. I am happy with that.
I just wanted 1 more time with him.. or atleast I just wish I knew the month before was the last time I would ever see him/hug him.:( |
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| yukii |
| when someone is depressed, suicide is their fantasy and way of relieving themselves from daily pain and sadness. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by MeLLyMeL
This is what I think happened to Raul. What kills me is I often wonder - (and maybe I am wrong for reading into something that is not really there...) but, the last 2-3 times I saw him... I just couldn't help but NOW wonder if he knew back then he was going to kill himself.
Might be stupid but I just have a small feeling he knew he would do this. I love him to death and I still cry about him. I miss him so much and when his family found his suicide note - weeks later - my name was on it first.
He really seemed to be so well but all he did was just hide his true feelings. I never thought he would attempt suicide again and actually succeed. His thoughts had completely changed and he seemed so much happier. I also just thought he loved me enough to NOT actually go through with this. When I found out he put my name first - I didn't really want to know what the actual note said word for word. I got a summary. I am happy with that.
I just wanted 1 more time with him.. or atleast I just wish I knew the month before was the last time I would ever see him/hug him.:( |
Who the hell is Raul? Stop telling stories about people we've never met, it makes you sound like an 80 year old. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Who the hell is Raul? Stop telling stories about people we've never met, it makes you sound like an 80 year old. |
Dark Angel, he used to post quite a lot here in the COR. |
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