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| IceColdWater |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceLover007
Focus, Dedication and Love to music - do what you love to do (produce your music) and good things will happen.
Cheers |
I agree. Even if you don't receive financial awards from producing , the feeling of satisfactory after producing a track is always one that makes you smile.
IMO , it's really hard to make a living off the arts , since the world needs more science-oriented people than artists. There are very few jobs that involves music , I can only think of a composer , teacher , conductor and performer. The latter two are the most competitive , you really need to be the best of the best.
I kinda shocked by what Richard Butler said , I guess it's a example of how hard it is to find a job in the arts section.
But if you really want to make it big in the dance music scene , networking really does matters. Good connections allows your track to be supported massively , allows your name to be spread. |
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| 19503 |
| its actually pretty naive to think good things will happen just by focus and being dedicated. ive been that my whole life and nothing good has come out of it yet. and its about to be too late lol, i might focus on a normal career soon instead. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by 19503
its actually pretty naive to think good things will happen just by focus and being dedicated. ive been that my whole life and nothing good has come out of it yet. and its about to be too late lol, i might focus on a normal career soon instead. |
To be honest mate that is what separates the people that do achieve what they want and the people that dont. You say nothing has come out of it yet? Well when is yet? No one knows that answer.
Its up to the individual to believe what they want, being naive is a little harsh for someone that believes in what they do, and that they will achieve their goal. Yes there is a possibility of it not happening but who is to say that it wont. Bottom line is the music to be fair. If you can make great tracks and get it out there, the music will speak for itself, you can't deny a good track and people will come to you if you can deliver. Simple. |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by music2dance2
To be honest mate that is what separates the people that do achieve what they want and the people that dont. You say nothing has come out of it yet? Well when is yet? No one knows that answer.
Its up to the individual to believe what they want, being naive is a little harsh for someone that believes in what they do, and that they will achieve their goal. Yes there is a possibility of it not happening but who is to say that it wont. Bottom line is the music to be fair. If you can make great tracks and get it out there, the music will speak for itself, you can't deny a good track and people will come to you if you can deliver. Simple. |
I couldn't agree more with this statement +1.
Nothing in our life is guarantee and nothing will come without hard work, dedication, failure and misery, so buckle up and get yourself ready for some bumpy ride.
Cheers |
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| cammaxwell |
You can definitely make a living from gigs, if your able to market yourself and make those connections. Again this definitely comes from being able to network and hustle. I'm a very successful DJ in Toronto who play all over the country as well (residency in Vancouver) and I could definitely live off the income monthly, but I don't rely on that at all. I have a career that pays the mortgage and probably always will. I don’t want to go through life just making the bills or struggling to buy a piece of equipment, I want to enjoy my life as well so it’s always good to have another career path.
I do this for the love and passion of EDM, so I view the extra money as just gravy. I don't think many producers at all can live off just producing anymore now that vinyl is out, where they make there money is from DJing. The more successful tracks you have out the more people will want to book you internationally and pay larger booking fees.
I just view production (and I'm just starting to get into it) as an avenue to start playing internationally one day if I'm lucky. I'm not looking for money at all, this is just what I love doing, and I expect to have to walk into the office every Monday morning after playing all weekend no matter what. Just as I do now.
If this is your passion, don't stop doing it, but get a job to pay the bills and eat. Don't rely on any of this to survive, treat it as part time job/hobby. The last thing you want is to take the enjoyment out of your love because your stressed over money.
Good luck! |
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| 19503 |
| quote: | Originally posted by music2dance2
To be honest mate that is what separates the people that do achieve what they want and the people that dont. You say nothing has come out of it yet? Well when is yet? No one knows that answer.
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meanwhile ur ending up in the streets if u bet all your cards on that hand.
imo its best to do a little of everything to have more legs to stand on. then go the easiest ride of the options that is before you :)
i also agree alot more with those who says that networking is the most important thing, caus theres tons of talented people out there never getting recognized because they dont know the right people.
im not saying im quiting music, or that anyone else should, im just saying that i have realized long time ago that i should get a proper job to be able to live the life i want, and rather have music as a hobby. also by realizing this alot of the pressure was going away making me enjoy producing even more.
and i tell u, things can actually come to you without hard work as long as you are at the right place at the right time and stay alert. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by 19503
meanwhile ur ending up in the streets if u bet all your cards on that hand.
imo its best to do a little of everything to have more legs to stand on. then go the easiest ride of the options that is before you :)
i also agree alot more with those who says that networking is the most important thing, caus theres tons of talented people out there never getting recognized because they dont know the right people.
im not saying im quiting music, or that anyone else should, im just saying that i have realized long time ago that i should get a proper job to be able to live the life i want, and rather have music as a hobby. also by realizing this alot of the pressure was going away making me enjoy producing even more.
and i tell u, things can actually come to you without hard work as long as you are at the right place at the right time and stay alert. |
Most definately, I agree with what you are saying there and can understand where you are coming from. There is no doubt that in this line of work and any other that networking, making contacts, getting yourself out there is also a much needed requirement.
I to agree with not putting all your eggs in 1 basket. I've had that thinking from the start, like others I have a career to pay the bills etc, to some extent I didnt take some risks which may of hindered progression in music, because of work reasons but thats life and you learn to move on. Like yourself you realised this and moved the other direction when you knew you had to rely on a "normal" job for money and that music isnt cutting it.
Its very true there are countless people out there who haven't been recognised and probably never will be, but its ultimately up to that person as to what route to take, to either take it to the next level or be left on the side lines.
All in all I think we've basically covered it all and in agreement. As cammaxwell pointed out its all very possible but have the day job also. Ive also been there in DJ-ing and had a great income while at university from playing out at weekends.
As for not putting in hard work and being in the right place at the right time, that can happen and does, but its something you shouldnt wait too long for cos it may not happen. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| People think the wrong way about the challenge of becoming one of the best. You do have to be in that category to make money but anyone can get there. Most people get discouraged and it affects their mindset. Most people will never get there because they don't do the stuff they don't like to do (marketing; networking) well even though they do make good music. In music you have to pay your dues in the same way you would in a college or any other coveted position. If the passion burns bright enough then there is nothing to worry about. Another big thing is confidence. If you study anything intently enough it becomes second nature and it becomes a part of you. There is not a bigger or more important ability than to be willing to learn. It sounds like a bunch of cliche but it's all tried and true. People have been doing thus stuff for decades. It's the truly special musicians that change the industry not the other way around. Michael Jackson changed everything and there will soon be more pioneers like him that will change the industry and raise the bar. Everything has swings and ups and downs. It's pretty easy to see what i'm saying because the same basic concept of the worldwide recession applies to the recession in the music industry. Music will continue to evolve as will our rights as artists. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
People think the wrong way about the challenge of becoming one of the best. You do have to be in that category to make money but anyone can get there. Most people get discouraged and it affects their mindset. Most people will never get there because they don't do the stuff they don't like to do (marketing; networking) well even though they do make good music. In music you have to pay your dues in the same way you would in a college or any other coveted position. If the passion burns bright enough then there is nothing to worry about. Another big thing is confidence. If you study anything intently enough it becomes second nature and it becomes a part of you. There is not a bigger or more important ability than to be willing to learn. It sounds like a bunch of cliche but it's all tried and true. People have been doing thus stuff for decades. It's the truly special musicians that change the industry not the other way around. Michael Jackson changed everything and there will soon be more pioneers like him that will change the industry and raise the bar. Everything has swings and ups and downs. It's pretty easy to see what i'm saying because the same basic concept of the worldwide recession applies to the recession in the music industry. Music will continue to evolve as will our rights as artists. |
All very true, especially the part about being the best, anyone can do it if they really want to, and the fact you have to do things you dont like or want to. |
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| Rodri Santos |
Producing only you can't pay the electricity you spent in the making of the track.
If you produce is to become real big if you're good, where you get money is on the gigs so:
If you are an average producer and a good dj you shouldnt keep producing, you are wasting your time and should focus in djing.
If you are an awesome producer and Armin, Tiesto, Guetta , sven Vath ... (depending on your style the top dj) plays your tracks even being an average dj you can have expensive gigs and live thanks to the music.
So the options are:
- Djing a lot in clubs and getting 50-100$ in a night so if you play 3 nights a week you get 1200$/month (which actually it's not enough to live properly but you can have a part time job and this and live good)
- Spending hours in the studio to produce good tracks and start having some recognition, soon some events will be contacting you and they'll pay you maybe 300$ for that night but soon you will be growing to X000$ , and if you hopefully become real real big like Tiesto and that mates basically you can earn in a day more than any normal person in a year.
Notice that having a radio show on a very good radio station it's an open door for international gigs if people like your sets |
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| cammaxwell |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
Producing only you can't pay the electricity you spent in the making of the track.
If you produce is to become real big if you're good, where you get money is on the gigs so:
If you are an average producer and a good dj you shouldnt keep producing, you are wasting your time and should focus in djing.
If you are an awesome producer and Armin, Tiesto, Guetta , sven Vath ... (depending on your style the top dj) plays your tracks even being an average dj you can have expensive gigs and live thanks to the music.
So the options are:
- Djing a lot in clubs and getting 50-100$ in a night so if you play 3 nights a week you get 1200$/month (which actually it's not enough to live properly but you can have a part time job and this and live good)
- Spending hours in the studio to produce good tracks and start having some recognition, soon some events will be contacting you and they'll pay you maybe 300$ for that night but soon you will be growing to X000$ , and if you hopefully become real real big like Tiesto and that mates basically you can earn in a day more than any normal person in a year.
Notice that having a radio show on a very good radio station it's an open door for international gigs if people like your sets |
I'm not sure where your basing these figures on, but local Dj's make much more than $50-$100 a gig and usually more than $300 (unless you just started and are begging for gigs). I can only assume that once you get recognition for your tracks and are getting booked else where, it will be much more like $1000-$2000 starting off (and not $300 like you mentioned).
At least in North America and Europe.... |
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| Rodri Santos |
The first figures of 50-100 it's at the start as you said. 300-400$ in your first serious local gigs (warm up for a headliner etc...) when you are an international dj i don't know if they get 2000$ at the beginning of this and start raising.
I doubt that some names i see sometimes on line ups get that money , i am thinking in Vincent de Moor who could easily have entered on some "less important" gigs and see:
Myspace Last Login: 28/06/2006
This guy can't live with his music anymore |
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